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 | GFFA's hell... |
 Hello everyone!
I'd first like to say Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, and/or _____________ to everyone. Holidays start today for us school kids, so I thought the time was right to say this.
Anywho... I was reading the article on creating the Mustafar set in the latest issue of Insider (yes, this is the third idea I've gotten from this one... what can I say - it was packed!), and I got to thinking. In the article, it clearly states that the modelers and so on were trying to make it seem like hell. This, obviously, makes sense to us, as hell is a very recognizable place in our society. But did Obi-Wan, Anakin/Vader, Padmé, Palps, the clones, Threepio, Artoo, etc. make this connection? Did they think about this, or would they have no idea what we were talking about if we were to tell them?
In Ep. V, Han also says "I'll see you in hell." So, I thought, they must have some idea of what hell is and what implications it has. But then why didn't all the people that visited Mustafar react to this hellish environment? Surely if they knew what hell is, they would be scared or intimidated (for lack of a better word) over their surroundings? Perhaps they were too overwhelmed with the goings-on that they didn't realize the symbolic nature of where they were. However, as I said, being in hell is a hard thing to not notice.
Then, I had a really good thought (I think it is, anyways...). If memory serves, no mention of hell is made in the PT. Maybe this is just coincidence, but maybe after living in terror under Palps' rule gave rise to an imaginary horrific place called "hell" that the citizens of the galaxy could relate to. They had obviously seen much violence and oppression during the Empire's rule, and maybe they thought up a place to compare their lives to, perhaps to supply them with at least a little sanity.
Maybe I'm missing a key piece of information, but with what I'm recalling, this is the best theory I've been able to come up with. Please let me know what your thinking - other theories, thoughts, or (constructive) criticisms.
Thanks, and May the Force be with You!
P.S. I've just changed my avatar... hope you all like it! (I think it fits me better than my previous ones... I think I'm gonna stick with this one!)
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Blizzard Two
LET'S BLOW THIS THING AND GO HOME...!
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date Posted: Dec 22, 2006 2:03 PM
Well, the whole 'burning lakes and whatnot' idea is really rather specific to one religion (christianity, that is) and its offshoots in our world. While it is quite possible that one or more religions in the GFFA may have a similar concept, it is more than likely that what Han means by 'Hell' is completely different from the christian idea.
Incidentally, the name 'Hell' comes from Norse mythology...
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Blizzard Two
LET'S BLOW THIS THING AND GO HOME...!
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date Posted: Dec 22, 2006 2:05 PM
Oops...the word 'completely' slipped in by force of habit! I meant 'rather different', as it obviously has connotations of unpleasantness and punishment.
Sorted!
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anakinside1
Echoes from the Asteroid Field
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date Posted: Dec 22, 2006 3:28 PM
That's a good question. I've wondered this about other symbols in the GFFA too. Like Padme's name means lotus, and the lotus has soooooo many symbolic meanings, but I don't think we're supposed to think that Padme knows this. It almost feels like it's more to give us a signpost as to who a person is or what they're going through, rather than giving the characters that information.
On the other hand I like your explanation about hell being a concept that evolves out of the experience of living in the empire....very creative, very interesting. 
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kyle228
Truly Wonderful, the Mind of a Child Is...
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date Posted: Dec 22, 2006 3:59 PM
Thanks, anakinside1. I thought it was fairly creative! It's nive to hear it from someone else though! Thanks again!
And I didn't know that Padmé means lotus. That's very interesting indeed.
Thanks for the comments!
MTFBWY
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MasterKirk3
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date Posted: Dec 22, 2006 5:00 PM
Corellians believe in seven different layers/versions/types of "Hell". That is why Han says "see you in Hell".
Well, the whole 'burning lakes and whatnot' idea is really rather specific to one religion (christianity, that is) and its offshoots in our world. -Blizzard Two
I thought that most relegions in the world believe in some sort of a Hell. Islam and Judeism, for example. Not to nitpick, or anything, just saying....
I think that the 'Hellish' environment on Mustafar was made for us to make a connection, instead of the people in Star Wars, since, like you said, a lot of them probably didn't believe in a Hell, or know of one.
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Hoppy Har Ghost
The Cormyrean Jedi's Holojournal
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date Posted: Dec 22, 2006 6:30 PM
Well, I figured hell was a little place called Kessel.
That was until I found out about Mustafar.
The whole River Styx thing makes Mustafar hell too.
I assume you know about the Styx, so I won't go into detail about it. But on another note, I thought I read somewhere that the Corellians believe in 7 (maybe 9) hells, and that each one is a level worse than the previous. Think the 99 layers of the Abyss or whatever its called, only scaled down. That could be an offshoot of a standard GFFA belief, or there could just be a Limbo, and hell is only Mustafar. \
Random point-In BF2 if you fall through the Mustafar lava, you keep falling down. Possible desent into hell by creators?
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Blizzard Two
LET'S BLOW THIS THING AND GO HOME...!
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date Posted: Dec 22, 2006 7:44 PM
'I thought that most relegions in the world believe in some sort of a Hell. Islam and Judeism, for example. Not to nitpick, or anything, just saying....'
They are essentially different branches of one religion- they all come from the same book, originally, after all. Taoism, Buddhism, Hinduism and most Pagan or Anamistic religions lack anything a christian would recognise as 'Hell' in terms of lakes of fire and brimstone, although a place for bad people to go is quite common. For example some types of Buddhism believe in a place of punishment even worse than the Realm of Hungry Ghosts, which sounds bad enough already, frankly.
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anakinside1
Echoes from the Asteroid Field
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date Posted: Dec 22, 2006 8:52 PM
I thought that most relegions in the world believe in some sort of a Hell
In Judaism there is no concept of Hell. What happens after death is considered a mystery - it's making the most of this life that matters.
Thanks, anakinside1
You're most welcome.
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Skywalker's Fury
If nobody hears a tree fall in the forest - does it make a sound?
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date Posted: Dec 22, 2006 10:12 PM
Taoism, Buddhism, Hinduism and most Pagan or Anamistic religions lack anything a christian would recognise as 'Hell' in terms of lakes of fire and brimstone, although a place for bad people to go is quite common.
Thank you! A lot of people don't realize that the other false religions all contain snippets of Christianity, but that one of the most important aspects (Hell; burning fire and brimstone) is missing from all of them. For us, Hell is the epiphany of evil, and the end of all who attempt to live a life apart from Christ Jesus.
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Skywalker's Fury
If nobody hears a tree fall in the forest - does it make a sound?
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date Posted: Dec 22, 2006 10:21 PM
continued. . .
Other religions state that if you live 'good' in this life then you will have a great 'afterlife' without actually stating the nature of the afterlife. This is not true. "As it is written; there is no one righteous (or good in some translations) not even one." - Romans 3:10
Without a supreme being to let you know the nature of 'good' who's to determine what good is? And of course if there's good, then there is bad which leads to evil. And those who live a life apart from Jesus Christ (which subsequently implies a life of wrongdoing, bad, and in some cases evil) will end up in Hell. The Scriptures are clear on this. "For man cannot serve two Masters." - Matthew 6:24
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Skywalker's Fury
If nobody hears a tree fall in the forest - does it make a sound?
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date Posted: Dec 22, 2006 10:22 PM
continued. . .
There is a second part to this verse that states that man cannot serve both God and Money. These statements however, are separated by a colon indicating that they can be viewed separately for one meaning, but also together for a more full meaning. I know I kind of got off topic, but that's what mixing Christianity and Star Wars does to me 
I don't remember who ended there's like this, but I liked it and I'll use it!
The Force guide you all! (Cool isn't it?)
Merry Christmas!
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kyle228
Truly Wonderful, the Mind of a Child Is...
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date Posted: Dec 24, 2006 7:53 AM
Thanks for all your comments, everyone! Some interesting thoughts were displayed... and some interesting theories as well. Thanks for your enthusiasm!
MTFBWY, Happy BFD, and Merry Christmas!
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