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 Ever since the premiere of ROTS, fans have debated the veracity of Palpatine's insinuation that Darth Plageuis (or was it Sidious?) created Anakin by manipulating the midichlorians. The good news is no one is complaining about the midichlorians or Anakin's unusual origins anymore. The unfortunate news is those fans who wished for a bad seed Anakin now think they have proof he was the galactic Antichrist after all.
Unfortunate because I absolutely hate the idea. Bear in mind Lucas has never said definitively if what Palpatine said was true, partially true, or utter twaddle. His word is the only one that counts and in all likelihood, he will never say what Anakin's exact origins were. Nor in his mind do they matter; Papa George did say in an interview all that did matter was that Anakin fulfilled the Chosen One prophecy.
Nevertheless, the problem I have with the Sith creating Anakin is that it establishes Anakin's fall was inevitable because he was created by evil in the first place. This robs the character of the free will he exercised in his choices and thereby undermines the tragedy of the PT. It's bad enough some fans cast suspicion upon everything Anakin does, even his good actions. The idea the Sith created him reinforces that belief. After all, when at any point in the saga do the Sith ever do anything not in the service of evil?
In addition, it taints the entire Skywalker line. They're not just created by the Force, they're literally the children of the Dark Side. It's actually worse than the concept of original sin.
It also makes Qui-Gon look like a complete fool. He had the clearest vision of all the Jedi, a pure mystic whose ultimate master was the Force itself. He couldn't tell this vergence in the Force was created by the Dark Side yet knew right away Darth Maul had to be a Sith?
Well, you might be argue, perhaps Qui-Gon believed he could alter fate by giving the little Sithling three hots and a cot along with some Jedi guidance, but there's nothing in the film that suggests Qui-Gon knew about Anakin's origins beyond what he stated. Besides, why would Palpatine need to go through the time and trouble to lure him to the Dark Side if Anakin was destined to fall to begin with?
I'm sure others would argue that throughout the saga, the Sith always tell the truth. Certainly, Darth Vader told Luke the truth about his parentage. Count Dooku/Darth Tyrannus told Obi-Wan the truth about the Sith Lord Sidious controlling the Senate. But also bear in mind, Palpatine pretty much fibbed or skewed the truth throughout ROTS. Remember all of Palpatine's promises to save Padmé's life if Anakin turned? Or that the Jedi were plotting a coup? We know how much those were worth.
What is stated more than once in the PT is that Anakin's future was uncertain or clouded. Only Obi-Wan initially thought Anakin was dangerous. Anakin's uncertain future signifies that not only is his fate not pre-determined, his ambiguity results from the fact he was created by the Force itself. There are two sides to the Force, light and dark, and the potential for both lies with Anakin. How he turns out, which side he serves, depends entirely on his choices.
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Darth Chockerious
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date Posted: Dec 08, 2005 11:11 PM
I agree with you on the point that I don't think George (who has the final say on anything with the Star Wars Saga) will ever truely say Anakin's true origin is. I don't like the theory that the Chosen One was created from nothing, by the Sith. Especially a basic good kid like Anakin. I have proposed that since George likes themes, that perhaps that Anakin is an offspring of Palpatine. But your statement about Qui-gon sensing otherwise is making me rethink that.
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Darth Chockerious
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date Posted: Dec 08, 2005 11:16 PM
And the origin of Anakin seems to be popping up a lot in these blogs. I don't go by what is said in the EU, since George is the master of this Universe. And if you go solely by what is said in the movies, then it's obvious, Anakin was created by the Force to bring balance to it.
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Katsuya Lugia
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date Posted: Dec 09, 2005 4:06 AM
I agree with Darth Chockerious, we should not go by the EU, depite what t says. I am also sure that Anakin was not just created to brig balence to the force, but that he was the balence of the force
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DarthAdam7448
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date Posted: Dec 09, 2005 4:44 AM
well you have every right to go bad just what the movie says. but i prefer not to. the movies were relatively limited in scope. you learn all kinds of stuff but unless something was relative to the story and could be fit in their without a whole bunch of explaination it was left out. when sidious tells anakin the turh about him being a sith lord he could tell him that his former master created him or lie and say he himself did. but that would leave the non-star wars geeks watching the movie all kinds of confused unless palpatine took 5 minutes to explain. especially since anakin himself would be shocked. you may not like EU as much but it is a necessary evil.
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DarthAdam7448
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date Posted: Dec 09, 2005 4:58 AM
as for the blog. the creation of anakin doesn't take away his free will. if you look at things from a jedi's perspective you have to think about the will of the force. if it was the will of the force anakin would have fell anyway. but i don't believe in that. the fact is that anakin could have prevented it. he didn't get forced to turn to the dark side. when he turned it was his weakness of charecter that did that.......not fate. luke and leia are of the same blood but they did not give in. their blood was tainted by the dark side but they never gave in to it.
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DarthAdam7448
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date Posted: Dec 09, 2005 5:06 AM
well of course qui-gon knew maul was a sith. knowing maul was a sith and not sensing the dark side's influence in creating anakin are very different things. someone like qui-gon probably felt like he could practically taste the dark side eminating from maul. this dark side guy who used a sith lightsaber attacked him and tried to kill him. of course he knew maul was a sith. predicting anakin was created by sith lord would be impossible for qui-gon to figure out. how would he know that the sith had that power. and let's not forget how stubborn he was. from the first second he argued that anakin was the chosen one and he was willing to disobey the entire council over this believe. he was wise but not always rational.
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Darth Chockerious
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date Posted: Dec 09, 2005 6:02 AM
The dark side is the easy path.... it sounds like a lot of work for the Sith to create a life form. I hope one day George will tell us for the record how Anakin was created. If it was through the force, then why through Shmi? Why was Anakin a human? How long was she pregnate with him? Same as a normal baby or a Quick "Star Trek" pregnacy?
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Darth Chockerious
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date Posted: Dec 09, 2005 6:05 AM
Plus, Qui-Gon, who is now one with the Force, should know for certain now anyway. My last point on this, Anakin joined Obi-wan and Yoda on the other side of the Force. He figured out how to do that on his own.
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DarthAdam7448
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date Posted: Dec 09, 2005 10:28 AM
If it was through the force, then why through Shmi? Why was Anakin a human? How long was she pregnate with him? Same as a normal baby or a Quick "Star Trek" pregnacy?
probably same as normal baby. maybe anakin was human because plagueis might have been human. it might have been easier to create a new life if the new life belonged to his species. as for his mother, there could have been many reasons why she was chosen. mainly because she was a slave. because she was a slave her child could be taken with the only hubub being caused is by watto who wants his property back.
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Master_Kenobi17 Takin Over For Talon
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date Posted: Dec 09, 2005 2:49 PM
In the New Essential Chronology, it says that Anakin was in fact created by Plagueis and Palpatine. Since George runs the 'OK' by everything that gets published, I believe it. Also, the whole idea of the prophecy is that Anakin's fate was sealed from day one. He never had much room for freewill to begin with.
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Darth Kevinmhk
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date Posted: Dec 09, 2005 7:26 PM
MissPadme:
Due to GL's refusal to make the origin a hard fact, at least
you cant convince me that the Force create Anakin, with hard evidence
Master_Kenobi:
Chrono really prove it? But I heard Chrono still use "According to legend..."
"If it can be believed..." phases!
It really prove it???? Can you quote it please?
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MissPadme Miss Padme's Naboo Love Nest
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date Posted: Dec 09, 2005 9:38 PM
As far as the EU is concerned, Lucas Books gives everything its final approval, but GL himself doesn't have time to go over every single licensed book. And over the years, there have been contradictions and errors in the EU that escape editors and the licensing folks. So just because it's in an EU source doesn't mean it is definitively correct from a canon standpoint.
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Grand Admiral Veers0
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date Posted: Dec 10, 2005 1:09 AM
How he turns out, which side he serves, depends entirely on his choices
Although you may not realize it, MissPadme, but you have just summarised the entire Prequel Trilogy in one sentence, and quite expertly, I might add.
Sith tales and Expanded Universe sources aside, and what some people here fail to grasp, is that The Theory (what I call it) shatters what all three of the movies were establishing: that Anakin had the choice of which side to belong to, how he used his tremendous gifts, and he made the wrong one. He took the path that was easier and what served his needs, disregarding others completely.
(cont.)
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Grand Admiral Veers0
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date Posted: Dec 10, 2005 1:12 AM
(cont.)
What gives the PT that extra oomph is that, in the same circumstances, anyone could make the same mistakes Anakin did and fall down the same dark path. If The Theory is correct, then this truly dispisable man is absolved of any responsibility. Something which many people would love to happen and which destroys the very concept of human nature.
Thank you for that presentation MissPadme, I cannot agree more
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Darth Kevinmhk
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date Posted: Dec 10, 2005 7:11 AM
Veers0:
I never thought Star Wars characters have choice. I always thought
Star Wars characters are controled by destiny.
(I have different opinion in the real world)
But you must understand that not even the Jedi know all there is to be known
about the Force; no mortal mind can. We speak of the will of the Force as
someone ignorant of gravity might say it is the will of a river to flow to
the ocean: it is a metaphor that describes our ignorance. The simple
truth-if any truth is ever simple-is that we do not truly know what the will
of the Force may be. We can never know. It is so far beyond our limited
understanding that we can only surrender to its mystery.
I love this much 
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MissPadme Miss Padme's Naboo Love Nest
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date Posted: Dec 10, 2005 11:25 AM
Grand Admiral Veers 0, thanks!
What gives the PT that extra oomph is that, in the same cir####tances, anyone could make the same mistakes Anakin did and fall down the same dark path. If The Theory is correct, then this truly dispisable man is absolved of any responsibility.
You are right; Anakin's mistakes are very human ones and the moral lesson in all of the SW movies is that you are responsible for your own choices and their consequences.
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Grand Admiral Veers0
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date Posted: Dec 10, 2005 6:20 PM
I don't have anthing more to add, but I just wanted to congratulate Darth Kevinmhk on quoting the Revenge of the Sith novel. Highly appropriate, I must say
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Darth Chockerious
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date Posted: Dec 12, 2005 2:31 AM
Here is a Blog topic I will throw out to the masses, if Palpatine was so much PRO-HUMAN, then why was his first apprentise with horns?
Back to this Topic, Palpatine was a LIAR from the start, although if Anakin was created by the Sith (Big IF), it might explain the title "The Phatom Menace" which I always though meant the Sith.........
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MissPadme Miss Padme's Naboo Love Nest
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date Posted: Dec 12, 2005 6:10 PM
Back to this Topic, Palpatine was a LIAR from the start, although if Anakin was created by the Sith (Big IF), it might explain the title "The Phatom Menace" which I always though meant the Sith.........
Which goes back to why I prefer to not believe that he was created by the Sith. It makes Anakin's fall pre-determined, which would undermine his inherent goodness and undermine the responsibility he should bear for turning to the Dark Side.
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Darth Kevinmhk
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date Posted: Dec 14, 2005 7:20 PM
MissPadme:
I do believe he was destined to fall. Just as Sidious
is destined to rise and the Sith is destined to return.
I dont believe "free will" & choice exist in Star Wars.
Otherwise it means the Chosen One prophecy could
actually not fullfill! It means Vader could choose not to
save Luke and not to bring balance of the Force!
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