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 | Victory, victory you say? |
 Fans who wanted a pre-SE version of the OT available on DVD were thrilled to get their wish when Lucasfilm made the surprise announcement yesterday. Let it not be said that Lucasfilm doesn't try hard to make people happy. From a business standpoint, they figured they couldn't lose with fans in my age group, completists, and the curious. I'm well aware pirated versions of pre-SE versions have been selling on eBay and other sources for years, so I'm sure Lucasfilm was well aware of it too. I suppose they're beating the pirates at their own game.
Nevertheless, I'm not exactly celebrating. For one thing, I think it will make the whole canon wars thing even worse. Which version is canon? Which version will be in 3D? In future DVD sets? In any new medium? Should there be multiple versions of every release of the OT available? There are already changes between the 1997 version and the 2004 DVD version. Because if you issue the original OT "just this once," there's going to be that section of fandom that will keep insisting they keep issuing it every time Lucasfilm wants to release the OT.
Okay, so fans complain about that stuff anyway. My other concern is Lucasfilm giving in to a very vocal corner of fandom that hasn't always been very nice to say it mildly. Part of the reason why I haven't been particularly gung-ho about advocating this version of the OT be released, especially over the past few years, is that an awful lot of the voices in favor of it have been so shrill. I've seen people call GL evil, greedy, selfish, and so forth because the answer they've had before was "no." Not everybody in favor of an original OT release has been that way but enough were to make me rather unsympathetic to their cause. Selling official "Han Shot First" shirts on top of that is just feeding into that sort of negativity. Some of the posts I've seen on other sites "celebrating" the announcement are of course bashing the SEs and the prequels. There's someone who even made "Screw You Hayden Christensen" icons to cheer on this "victory." Darth Media of course goes running to quote the few fanboys who claim to speak for everyone, but seldom speak for fans like me. And the demands and the complaints aren't going to stop.
What about fans who at least have been civil or those of us who have generally been supportive of Lucas's creative decisions? When does Lucasfilm pay any attention to us or at least show us some appreciation? In any case, if you choose to make changes to your work, you ought to have the courage to stand behind those changes, even if some people complain about them. Or you shouldn't make those changes at all.
I'm not saying Lucasfilm has no right to release these DVDs. Of course it does. I'm not saying you shouldn't buy this DVD set; it's your money and if it makes you happy, far be it from me to rain on your parade. Personally, I'm a fan of the saga for its story and characters and not so much for nostalgia. The 2004 DVDs are the version that fit best within the entire saga to date. As far as I'm concerned, SW isn't what it was in 1977 and that's okay by me.
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The Stooge Star Wars Joke-A-Day
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date Posted: May 04, 2006 9:15 PM
Huh. Interesting ideas. Didn't think of it in that way before.
Here's my take: it's not rewarding the obnoxious OT "purists," it's stickin' it to them. They get to see the versions they loved... and they get to remember exactly what was wrong with 'em. Then they discover that those SEs, the ones they just happened to buy along with the Unaltered version, are actually superior.
Sorta Lucasfilm's way of laughing all the way to the bank.
Personally, I'm hoping there are some other excellent bonus features. LFL rarely disappoints in this area, so I bet we'll get some cool AVM.
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solo smelly
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date Posted: May 04, 2006 9:30 PM
There's someone who even made "Screw You Hayden Christensen" icons to cheer on this "victory."
thats awful! Just like you, MissPadme, i like the 2004 DVD versions as they fit best with the saga as a whole. But with this new dvd set coming out - I'm glad that finally now, there is an OT dvd set that will suite everyone's taste.
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*DarthYoda* Tales of the Overweight Jedi: Becoming one with the Force one cheeseburger at a time...
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date Posted: May 04, 2006 9:44 PM
Miss Padme, you have stolen my thunder by writing what I could not in my inferior ranting blog. I could not agree with you more. Yes, I have nostalgia for the early days of Star Wars, and fond memories of watching them in the theatre as a kid. Having said that, Star Wars has moved beyond that time period and the Special Editions are superior versions of the movies that could not be made in the 70's or 80's. GL can finally make the movies what he wanted them to be all along and I look forward to seeing the Saga journey closer to perfection. The simple fact is that the OOT has many problems and is inferior to the SE. The point is- you can never go home again- and the OT will never feel like it did 29 years ago.
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Lieutenant Wiggum Jansen DETENTION BLOG AA23
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date Posted: May 04, 2006 10:16 PM
Stolen your thunder? That's very well stated there.
I'm in agreement. Star Wars is more organic than the whiners and spitters would have us believe. Ultimately, I'm in favor of the rights of an artist to make his art as he pleases. If Spielberg wants to put two versions of E.T. on a DVD, good for him. He made that choice. If Ridley Scott wants me to see a different ending of Blade Runner than the studio allowed, I want to see that one. I might even like one better over the other, but ultimately I honor the director's vision.
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Lieutenant Wiggum Jansen DETENTION BLOG AA23
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date Posted: May 04, 2006 10:16 PM
Star Wars to me is a different case than those because Lucas' vision is far and above better than the original versions. Last fall's DVD's are just better films overall, technically and thematically.
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Rainbow Droideka Aren't you a little short for an egg?
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date Posted: May 04, 2006 10:17 PM
Interesting ideas. It definitely is different to see an opinion from completely on the other end of the spectrum.
But I don't think there's going to be any canon issues, at least not any that weren't already there. People were already watching these versions of the movies, just not on DVD (legally anyway).
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Rainbow Droideka Aren't you a little short for an egg?
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date Posted: May 04, 2006 10:17 PM
And there have definitely been a lot of shrill voices in favor of a release like this, but I don't think it's really fair to assume those people represent the people who want to see the original versions any more than they represent Star Wars fandom as a whole.
Lots of people are fans for the nostalgia factor, and that should be okay. And while "Screw you Hayden Christensen" is probably a bit too mean, a little bit of debate is fine, and Lucasfilm recognizes that. They're not depriving you of the updated editions, they're just providing the originals alongside.
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Prisoner747
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date Posted: May 04, 2006 10:47 PM
Finally, a blog that gets it.
No further comment is really needed, but here it is anyway. Stop living in the past and face the fact that the movies are far superior to the ones that were shown almost 30 years ago...
*sigh*
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Granny-Wan I Am NOT an Old Fossil!
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date Posted: May 05, 2006 2:01 AM
Stop living in the past and face the fact that the movies are far superior to the ones that were shown almost 30 years ago...
I remember very well seeing the original releases in the theatre... and I thought they were great! Then in 1997, I saw the SEs in a theatre, and I thought they were great! Then last summer, I bought the DVD set of the OT for my grandson... and we watched them together and thought they were great!
Technology has allowed GL to improve the quality of his films to today's standards... I'm older than most of you and I'm more than happy to leave the past behind... give me the State of the Art for the 21st Century...
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greenandwhitejedi Bar 66
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date Posted: May 05, 2006 4:38 AM
I don't know why there's such a kerfuffle about the original versions, I really don't. I bet fans of lesser 70s SF movies are gagging for a snazzy digital upgrade - and all Star Wars fans want are the cheapo theatrical releases. Well, if dodgy rotoscoping and rickety old model-work is 'the magic of nostalgia', then Generation Jedi can keep it.
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anakinside1 Echoes from the Asteroid Field
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date Posted: May 05, 2006 5:35 AM
I don't understand why each person can't have their prefered version and allow others to also have theirs even if it's different. Fundamentalism (like the Screw You t-shirts) in anything drives me crazy even in SW. If the OT speaks to you so be it, if the OOT does that's fine. Obi-Wan was right what the true story is depends on your point of view, and that would be true even if there was only one version of events. So, let's all allow for the differences without being so threatened. Thanks for the blog.
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Dark Spork Sporktastic Voyage
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date Posted: May 05, 2006 6:58 AM
I agree with Anakinside1. Fannish fundamentalism of all stripes is extremely annoying in that teeth-grinding sort of way, but I believe we all have the right to choose what versions we prefer. No, LFL didn't have to provide the originals in the latest format, but in the end it's their decision, not ours. It's great marketing, you have to hand them that.
Personally I never got too worked-up about Han shooting first, but the lack of visual consistancy between some of the added stuff bothered me. CGI in 1997 wasn't so good at capturing a used galaxy; it worked out much better for TPM, when everything was supposed to have that shiny look. It didn't stop me from buying the SEs on video and DVD, but I still plan to pick the older version.
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Dark Spork Sporktastic Voyage
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date Posted: May 05, 2006 6:58 AM
(con't)
Plus, from a purely historical perspective, it's good to have the originals in a more robust format than video. Some of the effects may be less than thrilling now, but you couldn't go from Harryhausen stop-motion to CGI-perfect ROTS without them, and people should be able to see that.
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Jedi Arwen Skywalker
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date Posted: May 05, 2006 8:01 AM
George changed the OT into SE because that was his vision for SW. So, in essence the SE is the real SW. I don't have the same perspective o'course b'cuz I have only seen the SE, but there is some comparison footage on the extra disc of the SE 3pack. But hey, its great, George will give everyone what they want, and everyone will be happy. Will I buy the double edition? I don't know, will I have $90?
MTFBWY, whatever version you support.
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: May 05, 2006 8:43 AM
(Im not Spork BTW  )
I would never pin it on Lucas to be the type to "give in" to the fan's demand. If anything I see it as his way of acknowledging a significant portion of the fan base and I'm sort of touched that we/they were heard and responded to.
Im totally supportive of what Lucas has done with the special edition. Star Wars is so great because Lucas has always stuck to his vision, and the touching up with new technology is part of his continuing with his own vision.
I'll be happy to put my old VHS to rest before they break!
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MissPadme Miss Padme's Naboo Love Nest
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date Posted: May 05, 2006 10:21 PM
Let me add that at the time I posted yesterday I didn't realize these discs will come with the 2004 versions as well. Some people aren't happy about that plus there's griping about the Dolby 2.0 sound (well, you wanted '70s nostalgia) and Lucas nickel and diming fandom yet again. (Memo to Lucasfilm: You can't win.)
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MissPadme Miss Padme's Naboo Love Nest
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date Posted: May 05, 2006 10:22 PM
Rainbow Droideka, my real concern is with attempting to satisfy the passions of a vocal group of people. Lucasfilm can only provide DVDs but not a time machine. I grew up with the theatrical releases and I remember those days fondly. Nothing will ever change them. But Lucas wants these movies to be the best they can be; he wants them to live forever or to at least try, and I don't blame him for wanting to make them as great as they can be visually. That's a greater goal IMO than appealing to a single generation's sense of nostalgia and already I'm seeing evidence that even this attempt to make those fans happy isn't making everyone happy.
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MissPadme Miss Padme's Naboo Love Nest
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date Posted: May 05, 2006 10:22 PM
anakinside1 and Darth Spork, choosing different versions is what's tricky about something that's art and a commercial product at the same time. But it's clearer to me now they're not trying to release something on parity with the 2004 version, so it still makes the point which version is canon.
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Lieutenant Wiggum Jansen DETENTION BLOG AA23
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date Posted: May 06, 2006 5:55 AM
The old effects to me, are as thrilling as the new. The issue, I think is integrity, and Lucas has lost a little bitof his to the marketing engine of Star Wars.
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RJ-1 Kenobi Journal of the Wibbles
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date Posted: May 06, 2006 8:17 AM
It's a sad fact of life that loud complaints always get noticed far more than quiet appreciation. Just look at Jar Jar.
But I don't think there is an issue of integrity here. The original versions are quite clearly considered by Lucasfilm to be "extra features", rather than the main deal. The newest version will always be the one that is "canon".
Okay, so he said the original versions would never see the light of day again. At the time, that was the plan. Now Lucasfilm have realised there's still a market for them after all this time, and have changed their minds to make their customers happy. (Well, as happy as SW fans ever are!  ) There's no shame in that.
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Rainbow Droideka Aren't you a little short for an egg?
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date Posted: May 08, 2006 10:19 PM
But Lucas wants these movies to be the best they can be....I don't blame him for wanting to make them as great as they can be visually. That's a greater goal IMO than appealing to a single generation's sense of nostalgia...
Well, I hope no one thought they were going to make everyone happy. That's basically an impossible goal no matter what you're doing. But I don't see why improvement and nostalgia have to be at odds with each other. I don't see any good reason not to give the vocal group what they want, even if it won't make all of them happy. And there are a lot of people who are very happy about this who weren't making a huge fuss before.
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jedivan2 Jedivan's Viewpoint
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date Posted: May 18, 2006 7:37 PM
Miss Padme, you bring up some very good points. Also, as Rainbow Droideka points out , there is no reason "why improvement and nostalgia have to be at odds with each other." For example, these "original versions" will be two discs: one disc with the original and one with the DVD special edition. Another example is the DVD release of Star Trek: The Motion Picture Director's Edition. Robert Wise went back and enhanced some scenes he wasn't satisfied with. Included among the extras are the original, unaltered scenes. I was hoping for deleted scenes from the orignals to be included as some of the extras. Since he included deleted scenes as extras in the prequel DVD's, why not in the originals?
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jedivan2 Jedivan's Viewpoint
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date Posted: May 18, 2006 7:39 PM
The "he" in the last sentence is George Lucas, by the way. Sorry if I confused anyone.
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