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Miss Padme's Naboo Love Nest
date posted: Jul 06, 2006 7:43 PM
Yoda and Sidious
There is a story I read once about an ascetic who spent twenty years meditating until he was able to walk on water across a river. He told this to the Buddha, who wasn't impressed. "What a waste of energy," the Buddha said, "where for a penny you could have crossed the river on a ferry." The point of the story is that you don't gratuitously use your skills or powers for worthless things; you use them when the time is right.

In SW, there are two beings who are very powerful in the Force and knowledgable in its use yet seldom exhibit raw displays of that power: Yoda and Darth Sidious. Even though one is good and the other is as evil as it gets in this story, both exercise a restraint on using their own power. The first time moviegoers saw Yoda in TESB, he looked anything but a great Jedi Master. He was kooky, aged, and leaned on a cane. He didn't even seem to have a weapon. But when he used the Force to lift Luke's X-Wing out of the swamp waters, you knew there was more to him than met the eye. And even that didn't prepare moviegoers for Yoda's fight scene in AOTC 22 years later. He deflected Force lightning and scared off Darth "Count Dooku" Tyranus with his lightsaber skills, even though Dooku been a powerful Jedi himself. And immediately after Tyranus escaped, Yoda went back to his cane.

Sidious, who cheerfully exhulted in "power! Unlimited power!", wasn't exactly the sort to casually toss it around either. We only saw him use a lightsaber twice and use Force lightning three times, most of those times in ROTS when he fully revealed himself, and only when he was being attacked or challenged. Surely a malevolent being like Sidious would have enjoyed zapping people with his Force lightning for fun and shish-kebabing some rebellious Senators with his lightsaber. But even after he became Emperor, he didn't do that, even if such raw displays of power would have probably scared people even more into obeying him.

I think both Yoda and Sidious believe that one of the luxuries of power is that you can use it anytime and in any way that you want, but you can make that choice judiciously. Both also rely on a little bit of subterfuge, presenting themselves as elderly and physically weak, or as friendly politicians, because power can come from having others underestimate you.

Both would rather use their heads than to rely on supernatural powers. Yoda drew upon almost 900 years' worth of experience and knowledge while Sidious would rather manipulate and scheme to accomplish his goals.

Where they differ is of course, on their moral/philisophical outlook. It's that difference that distinguishes what Yoda believed power could accomplish from what Sidious believed. Yoda didn't use the Force to keep him from aging. When death came, he accepted it. Granted, he had learned from Qui-Gon the secrets of true immortality so he had no reason to fear physical death. I think Sidious really planned on living forever, because as a Sith, he probably believed there was either no existence after death or that any sort of afterlife did not afford the power of the Dark Side. (Even in the EU's Dark Empire, Palpie planned to live on in clones if he couldn't otherwise discover the secret of eternal life with Vader.) Ultimately, what true power meant for Sidious wasn't just the ability to electrocute Jedi Masters or rule an entire galaxy or even to turn the Chosen One to the Dark Side. It was the power to conquer physical death.


  Zelaskowski
date Posted: Jul 06, 2006 8:31 PM
It's that old saying about absolute power corrupting absolutely. How could ANY afterlife afford Palpatine the luxury he power in this one? It couldn't. Immortality was just a way to hold on to what he had. Yoda knew physically dying didn't dimiinish his power in the least. It was less hands on, certainly, but he could still push and have an effect from that disembodied state. That wouldn't have been enough for a Sith. They are all about instant gratification. The question has come up if the Empire knew P was a Sith. I think not, for hte reasons you listed. He relished his power so much, had it not been dangerous to do so, I think he would have been much freer in displaying it.
JediMelindaWolf
Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
date Posted: Jul 06, 2006 8:52 PM
So true, MissPadme. You wrote an excellent blog. Thank you!
Palpatine, as it turned out, underestimated Yoda. Remember the look of surprise on Palpatine's face when Yoda harnessed the force lightning and turned it back on Palpatine? Had Yoda not fallen, who do you think would have emerged victorious from that fight?
MTFBWY :)
  jkelly
There Is No Conflict
date Posted: Jul 06, 2006 9:36 PM
one of the luxuries of power is that you can use it anytime and in any way that you want, but you can make that choice judiciously.

I've always said (I might have stolen this, though, I can't remember), "Better to have others underestimate you and surprise them, then have them overestimate you and disappoint them."

Yoda recognized this tool, too, when he warned Luke not to underestimate the powers of the Emperor.
  DarthScrewball
date Posted: Jul 07, 2006 12:37 AM
It seems to me that Palpatine not being able to become one with the Force, as Obi-Wan, Yoda and even Anakin did, is sort of an eternal punishment for what he did... but thats just my opinion...

may the Force be with you
Lord Harald
The Council of Evil
date Posted: Jul 07, 2006 3:28 AM
Yoda uses a cane. Still he's jumping around like he was on fire. Long I thought that he only used his cane to make people think he was a weak old man. But I have a theory that he in fact IS a weak old man/frog, physically. But he's so strong in the force that he can perhaps make himself physically stronger. If he can move spaceships, why not?
anakinside1
Echoes from the Asteroid Field
date Posted: Jul 07, 2006 6:39 AM
Both also rely on a little bit of subterfuge

Good point!

Both would rather use their heads than to rely on supernatural powers.

Another good point!

I've never noticed this before. You make a good case.:)
gold5
I lost Tiree, lost Dutch!..or How I learned to stop worrying and love the Death Star.
date Posted: Jul 07, 2006 9:00 AM
Excellent points here. It got me thinking and thats what I like in a blog, book, etc. You said something in the last sentence that I would like to go into further. Spirituality as it relates to the afterlife is one of my favorite subjects. This blog has greesed the cogs so to speak. Thanks!:D
usetheforce19
MasterMonkey13
date Posted: Jul 07, 2006 1:31 PM
True. Not using powers so often helps to hide how powerful you really are.

May the Force be with us all! God bless!
padmeskywalker77
Padme's Legacy
date Posted: Jul 07, 2006 11:07 PM
Excellent Miss Padme :) . I had never really thougth about comparing Yoda and Sidious, but you make excellent points.

one of the luxuries of power is that you can use it anytime and in any way that you want, but you can make that choice judiciously.

So true, and I agree with jkelly when he said that it is better to have others (your enemies) underestimate your abilities/powers and be surprised than to have them overestimate you and be disappointed.

Both would rather use their heads than to rely on supernatural powers

Another great point that makes perfect sense.
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