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Moose Poodoo
date posted: Jun 07, 2005 4:26 PM  |  updated: Jan 17, 2006 10:34 PM
Balance - The Force, Fact, Fiction, and Fate
Yes, it is a little off the beaten path for me to write a serious analysis about Star Wars. But I see the question so often that I felt compelled to lay out at least what I understand to be fact vs. fiction regarding Balance in the Force.

From the introductory documentary for A New Hope, Special Edition (on the VHS version), George Lucas discusses the (then) upcoming Episode II and III films, and how they tie in with the OT.

And the George spaketh unto us:

"The first film starts with the last age of the Republic, which is it's getting tired, it's old, it's getting corrupt.

There's the rise of the Sith, who are becoming a force, and in the backdrop of this we have Anakin Skywalker, a young boy who is destined to be a significant player in bringing balance back to the Force and to the Republic...

Then in the second film we get into more of that turmoil. It's the beginning of the Clone Wars, it's the beginning of the end of democracy in the Republic, sort of the beginning of the end of the Republic. And it's Anakin Skywalker beginning to deal with some of his more intense emotions of Anger, Hatred, Sense of Loss, Possesiveness, Jealousy, and the other things he has to cope with.

And then we will get to the 3rd film where he is seduced to the Dark Side..

Which brings us up to the films 4, 5, and 6, in which Anakin's offspring redeem him and allow him to fulfill the prophecy where he brings Balance to the Force by doing away with the Sith and getting rid of evil in the universe..."


Lo, verily didst he speak. So it is written, so it shall be...

With this information (this being only one of several sources and quotes on the matter) let's look at common misconceptions and their corresponding realities in George Lucas' intentions for the arc of the saga.

Fiction:
The Force is out of Balance because of the number of Jedi vs. the number of Sith. The Force is balanced when good is perfectly balanced with evil, and therefore any larger number on either side cause it to wobble right off of it's cosmic nightstand.

Fact:
George Lucas himself has said that it's merely the presence of the Sith that cause the Force to be out of Balance. It has nothing to do with the number of "light side" vs. "dark side" forces. The Force, in it's natural state, is balanced and harmonious. The Sith affect the Force so drastically that the Dark Side permeates its entire fabric. By destroying the Sith, Balance is restored. In fact, his exact words were "getting rid of evil..."

DM's Explanation:
Think of the Force as a river through a valley. It carves a natural path, and exists on its own accord, both serving and being served by the landscape around it. Think of the Jedi as tribe of aboriginal beings, indiginous to the landscape surrounding the Force. They draw on the waters of the Force for sustenance without disturbing its course. The Sith, on the other hand, you may consider as a Power company, come to the valley to harness the River of the Force for their own gain. They dam up the river, process its waters toward artificial ends, and upset the delicate ecological balance of the entire valley. As the River is darkened by the byproducts of the Sith, so is the world around it. Remove the Sith Power Plant, you allow the ecosystem to recover from it's effects.

Fiction:
Luke was really the Chosen One, not Anakin, because he destroyed the Emperor and Vader.

Fact:
George Lucas maintains that Anakin was always the Chosen One, redeemed by his compassion for his son, thereby destroying the Emperor, and himself. In doing so, he destroyed all of the Sith that existed, and restored the Galaxy from the Dark Side.

DM's Explanation:
Luke's role was complex. Though it was chiefly thought by Obi-Wan that he should destroy Vader, Yoda was more subtle in his training. Yoda only told Luke that his path to being a Jedi meant confronting Vader. Though Obi-Wan expressed disappointment that Luke can not kill his own father, which he doesn't, Yoda only offers the guidance Luke needs to bring him to that moment. Luke's role was never to kill Vader, nor the Emperor. It was to be a catalyst for the redemption of Anakin, to bring him away to the Dark Side so that he could finally fulfill his destiny as the Chosen One.

One could even say that for Anakin to have been the Chosen One, he had to fall to the Dark Side. Who better to kill an all-powerful tyrant than the person closest to his right hand? Regardless, the Prophecy's providence was not so clearly detoured - it may be that the Prophecy was fullfilled in exactly the way it was meant to. Anakin would sacrifice himself, and his soul, to be the Chosen One. It could be said, at least. Dunno - that's up to you.

Fiction:
The Force was not out of Balance until Palpatine turned Vader, and erected the Empire.

Fact:
The Force became out of Balance the moment the Sith had resurfaced, presumably shortly before the events of The Phantom Menace.

DM's Explanation:
Though this exact moment is unclear, it is undeniable that from the first unsettling events in The Phantom Menace, the shroud of the Dark Side begins to fall, and the Force begins to slip out of Balance. When the Sith reveal themselves to the Trade Federation and set off the alarming chain of events that brought the first open warfare to the Galaxy in an era, their effects became clear. The presence of the scheming Sith, just as Mr. Lucas says, is all that is needed to tip the scales of fate.

The Force is an elusive idea in the Star Wars universe, and is very nearly its own character with its own volitions. I often wonder about the idea of the "will of the Force", that being its ability to forsee what would happen, and devise its own solution in the form of Anakin. Sort of a self-correcting system of life and harmony.

Dunno. I'm just a moose. I hope that, my opinions aside, this helps to clarify some oft-asked questions about George Lucas' intentions when discussing Balance in the Force.

DM out

  Martin649
The Order
date Posted: Sep 08, 2005 11:35 AM
I love the explaination of balance...Hopefully, everyone will understand that!!!
  darthbranstos
date Posted: Sep 27, 2005 2:24 PM
That was great. superb article, I have seen some of those interviews with Lucas

I have to save I totally agree with you. I like what you have to say about Yoda only saying "confront" Vader to Luke. I really never really picked up on that before only that Obi Wan was "upset" when Luke said he couldnt kill his Father, although this may because thats exactly where Obi Wan failed 20 years early "I can't do it, he's like my brother"

The thing that gets me real upset is people obsessed with the thought that too many Jedi or un-even Sith/Jedi numbers causes un-balance, hopefully you have cleared this up for everyone now.

  darthbranstos
date Posted: Sep 27, 2005 2:25 PM
One thing I would question is when the force went out of balance. When Qui Gon "shocks" the Jedi Council with the news that the Sith have returned Mace Windu says "I don't think the Sith could have returned without us knowing it" (terrible dialogue oh well George)
Perhaps feeling the force go out of balance was the Jedi way of knowing the Sith had returned, however this isnt possible as the already know it is out of balance, in the very next conversation they discuss the whole "chosen one" subject with Qui Gon
  darthbranstos
date Posted: Sep 27, 2005 2:29 PM
I believe it must have gone out of balance well before TPM because:
-If Anakin was born of the force to return balance, then surely it would have gone out of balance before he was born.-
-Prophesies in legend are rarely made for without reason, I believe the prophesy was made after the force went out of balance, maybe thousands of years before TPM.
If it is the Sith who created un-balance then surely it would have gone out of balance when the Sith began doing their thing.
  darthbranstos
date Posted: Sep 27, 2005 2:29 PM
If it is the Sith who created un-balance then surely it would have gone out of balance when the Sith began doing their thing.
-The force remained out of balance for the 1000 years up to TPM because the Sith still existed, over such a time without even a whisper from the Sith, the Jedi are going to believe the Sith are gone, despite that fact that the force is still out of balance

Anyway thats just my opinions, cheers!
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Oct 25, 2005 11:39 AM
I think you are right in the sense that its when the Sith start "becoming a force", in other words, start to affect things, make themselves known. They have been in the background for 1000 years, unknown to the Republic and to the Jedi. Now, they are coming out seeking revenge, and are starting to affect the Force. Like I say, it's not made clear when the Force started slipping out of Balance, but from George Lucas' quote (added to my entry today, see above) it's significant to him that the Sith are "becoming a force" again. Dunno, but I do see your point - one would think the Force has never had a chance to be Balanced - who knows - maybe it hasnt until Anakin finally fulfills the Prophecy.
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Oct 25, 2005 8:06 PM
Anyway thats just my opinions, cheers!

And very good ones, thanks for posting them :0) Some things to think about.
  Archangelysses
What to do with a drunken Dark Lord?
date Posted: Jan 23, 2006 4:16 AM
The force went out of balance when the first jedi went across to the dark side. From that point on you had dark force users and sith off and on that were affecting the force to more or less of a degree depending on how visible (for want of a better term) they were being. It is possible that the prophecy has existed from the time of the first dark jedi to bring back the balance. this state would have continued right up until Vader/Sidious died
  Vader of Clubs
date Posted: Jan 27, 2006 6:51 AM
Star Wars is somewhat unique in my love of fantsy to be the only time I can stomach "chosen ones" (the Jedi rather than Anakin) with power granted to them by "fate", and I would love to believe that the Balance of the Force came as the Jedi order died, with only Luke and Leia left to continue it. Alas the EU proves me wrong.

  Vader of Clubs
date Posted: Jan 27, 2006 6:52 AM
Star Wars is somewhat unique in my love of fantsy to be the only time I can stomach "chosen ones" (the Jedi rather than Anakin) with power granted to them by "fate", and I would love to believe that the Balance of the Force came as the Jedi order died, with only Luke and Leia left to continue it. Alas the EU proves me wrong.

Cont . . .
  Vader of Clubs
date Posted: Jan 27, 2006 6:52 AM
Still, I believe the Jedi order is fundamentally wrong in it's perception of the universe. I don't want to get too far into it cause it'll make me look ike more of a mad-man, but I have written a "short" non-starwars.com blog comparing the life of Anakin to that of Chiyo of Memoires of a Geisha, perpertuating my own belief that tearing children from their homes is generally not going to have the desired positive effects . . .
prisoner2k
Musings of a Recovering Star Wars Addict
date Posted: Feb 16, 2006 7:43 AM
Wow, this is a really interesting thread to follow!

Since I usually have more to say on any given topic than the 750 characters allowed for a response can give, I've written my own entry in response to DM's thorough contemplations.

I hope some of you will deign to check it out here.
  jediV-man
date Posted: Feb 16, 2006 8:55 AM
Amazing how you always make wonderful blogs there Moose. This is by fun one of the best. Great job analyzing the Balance of the Force topic. I agree with you 99.99999%. Now just a thought. In your example of the Force being like a river, and the Sith being like a Power company, I find it interesting that you actually don't call the Jedi the same. The difference being that the Sith more or less dam the river of the Force with no spillways so to use it for their greediness whereas the Jedi dam the river and use what they recieve for the betterment of all and also provide ample spillways in the dam for everything else down the river to recieve what they need from the river. That is how I percieve it to be, maybe I'm just a crazy person.
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Feb 16, 2006 9:15 AM
It's exactly that difference that I want to emphasize - the Jedi live in harmony with the Force. Even in their decline, they sought to live within the will of the Force, not to use the Force for their own gain. The Sith, however, use the Force to collect power.

In that relationship, the Jedi are a more natural extension of the Force landscape, whereas the Sith are an artificial anomaly.

Glad you liked the blog :0)

DM out
prisoner2k
Musings of a Recovering Star Wars Addict
date Posted: Feb 16, 2006 11:03 AM
Good points over on my strand of this little thread. If the factors I discussed caused the proverbial tree to rot from within, then the Sith were able to slither into the cavity and take over.

I wonder, though, since the prophecy had been around prior to the Jedi's awareness of the Sith's reemergence, if something else must have been occurring out in the open enough for the prophets to feel compelled to write about it.

I really love having a forum like this to gab about these "issues" with people who get it!
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Feb 16, 2006 12:18 PM
if something else must have been occurring out in the open enough for the prophets to feel compelled to write about it.

Sadly the origin of the Prophecy remains shrouded in fictional mystery. But I view its existance as part of the Force's autonomic functions of self-preservation. The Force wills its own solutions. Like most things in Nature, it's natural state is Balance, and it will promote situations conducive to that state. Its possible the Force could see the impending crisis, and developed its own solution, and thus, the Prophecy (and its fulfillment) of the Chosen One was created. Yep - I like talkin this stuff up my own sef. :0)
  jediholteh
date Posted: Mar 07, 2006 10:23 AM
I must say that I agree with everything you said 100%. I personally love the way you described the Force with the "River" analogy thing. ^^ And when you mentioned that Yoda only told Luke that his path to being a Jedi meant confronting Vader, and not killing his father, I was rather elated :D I myself have pointed that out to other people as we were watching the movie, so I was glad to hear you say that. ;)
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Mar 07, 2006 10:30 AM
Thank you - its good to know that folks can see the deeper levels of meaning in that plot point. :0)

DM out
  Obi-Wan Kenobi1999
date Posted: Jul 24, 2006 10:20 AM
I agree with you completely on this and I also like how put the river thing with the Force. I haven't read something this interesting in the blogs in a while.
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Jul 31, 2006 7:51 AM
Thanks - I think it's important to note that there are evil and good components to the Force, if those labels can be applied to such extremes. Just as a wild animal has admirable strength and courage, so it can also embody terrible and seemingly senseless violence and a self-preserving nature, all within the same confines of character. The Force is something akin to Nature, personified and empowered, and interactive with all things.

It is the artificial focus of those darker (its a human perception to call those things "dark") aspects that the Sith bring about that causes the Force to slip out of of Harmony (aka Balance).

DM out
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