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Moose Poodoo
date posted: Jul 20, 2005 11:28 AM  |  updated: Jul 20, 2005 11:41 AM
Why did Anakin's visions abandon him?
"He can see things before they happen...It is a Jedi trait."

From the first moments Anakin was discovered, this much was clear: Anakin was special, and part of what made Anakin unique was the fact that he was not tied to the moment. He was focused on the future, be it the immediate or a far flung destiny. It's interesting that Qui-Gon, protagonist of "The Living Force", who would likewise chide a young Obi-Wan for his propensity to focus on anxieties "at the expense of the moment", would be so taken with a child ruled by moments yet to be.

Nonetheless, Anakin's powers were anchored in an ability to see the future, not merely the present.

"I had a dream I was a Jedi."

Anakin's predictions are most often in dream form, although they are not perfectly accurate. Though they contain truth, they are also somehow skewed. He may see that he will be a Jedi, but he also believes his destiny is to return and free his enslaved brethren. This may be true "from a certain point of view", when he frees the Galaxy from tyranny, but it was certainly a path frought with turnbacks and pitfalls. At an early age, Anakin can see things, but he does not understand them.

"I saw my mother. I saw her as clearly as I see you
now."


As Anakin grows older his powers of prophecy become more vivid, his dreams less dream-like, and ominously darker. What were visions of a bright future have shifted to a focus on impending loss. What were once dreams, are now nightmares.

Anakin realizes increasingly what we may recognize as a poignant irony - the child slave with dreams of freedom has become a slave to his own abilities in many ways, and his own future. He is powerless to stop the change his mother prayed he would learn to accept. And yet it drives something sinister in him, a thirst for control over things that can not possibly be controlled. He loses his mother, regardless of his foreknowledge. His powers are useless when it matters most to him. No one tortures Anakin more than Anakin himself, and his dubious gift of foresight.

"You die in childbirth . . ."

Anakin's abject aversion to his own visions haunt him so completely now, it begins to twist his psyche. He alternates between denial and defiance about his own abilities, shifting from "It was only a dream" to "I won't let this one become real" in the same breath.

Anakin's powers of foresight are growing, but where do they come from, and what have they become? Are they visions projected upon his mind, or do they come from within? More importantly, have his abilities morphed into an ability to shape the outcome? Does he believe something so intensely, fear something so completely, he inadvertantly reaches into the fabric of destiny itself to somehow make these things so? Is it possible that Anakin, child of Prophecy, can inadvertantly fulfill his own? The Dark Side clouds his judgement, but his visions are stark in their relentless clarity now. And if anything is more evident than ever before, it's that two things stalk Anakin - tragedy, and visions.

"I find your lack of faith disturbing."

When, then, did vision abandon Anakin? When he became Vader? And if so, why? It can not be said that foresight into the future is only a Jedi trait. The Emperor harnesses this ability, and in fact leverages the fate of his plans on his gift to see, and therefore to shape, the future. But what was an ever-present talent in Anakin's repertoire has seemingly left him as Vader, so much so that he's mocked by Admiral Motti for his lack of clairvoyance, indicating his inability to find the Rebels or retrieve the plans.

And truly, it seems Motti is right . Vader's visions are failing him. His prediction that "There will be no one to stop us this time" is nothing more than empty bluster, and more importantly, completely untrue. Their failure, his failure at Yavin is outshone only by the brillance of a Death Star blossoming into its fiery demise. If he finds a lack of faith in his ability to see through the Force, he has good reason to find it disturbing, as should anyone basing their designs on his gifts.

"You can destroy the Emperor."

Vader's offering of power to Luke is based on a half-truth, as I've touched on before here . His selective memory, either intentional or not, ignores the Emperor's actual prediction regarding Luke's interference in their plans. "He could destroy us," Palpatine warns. But Vader seems intent on Luke's seduction to the Dark Side only because he believes in Luke's power against the Emperor. But what of Luke's part in his own undoing? As I've pointed out before, you might think that Vader believes Palpatine is lying, but then wouldn't his vision serve him best here?

Vader, who as Anakin could once see the future clearly, whether he wanted to or not, can now see nothing past his own ambitions. But I wonder if that's all that blinds him...

"Tell your sister...you were right..."

With his final breath, the redeemed Anakin admits what Vader would not. He did not see what Luke could see. Anakin's gift of personal prophecy had left him long ago, and just as his dark visions used to haunt his mind, the utter darkness of his mind's eye is now strangely a comfort to him. With his last thoughts, and his own eyes fully on this moment shared with his son, Vader concedes defeat, and Anakin claims his costly victory over his vexing gift.

So the question remains - why did his visions abandon him? Was it his transformation into Vader that cost him this talent? Was it his focus, as Qui-Gon had said, determining his reality? Did his lust for power and all-consuming ambitions shroud his ability to see the true destiny of a galaxy lost in darkness, and the outcome of his own life? Or was it something else, perhaps...

As Anakin, his vision centered on his anxieties, just as Qui-Gon had warned Obi-Wan about. His fears for those he loved drove his need to see their future, so much so that he could not control his own visions or their eventual culminations in reality. As Vader, however, who did he care for, and who did he love?

It may be one explanation that Vader's path to the dark side cost him the very thing that had been a source of power. Having lost his love for others, and self, the Dark Side had become just that for Anakin - Darkness.

Kermit
The Blog of a Frog
date Posted: Jul 20, 2005 12:28 PM
Good entry, Moose. I'd never really thought of this before... Very interesting, and true.

I wonder what Padmé's fate would have been had Anakin not set out to change what his visions told him...
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Jul 20, 2005 1:11 PM
Yep, I wonder if his powerlessness with his mother's may have become a source for self-fullfilling prophecy, which is just one of his powers gone completely mad..or, is it just a natural part of tinkering with destiny that you find the more you try to manipulate it, the more you become part of it?... it's either a force paradox, or a temporal one, or maybe both.
  ForgottenMaster
Exile's not so bad...once the craziness sets in.
date Posted: Jul 20, 2005 8:55 PM
Qui-Gon's only teaching to Anakin was "Your focus determines your reality."

A person who focuses on success will most likely succeed whereas a person who focuses on not failing will most likely fail. To succeed and to not fail are the same goal, but the roads leading to that goal are different.

Unfortunately, Anakin must have forgotten that simple teaching. When he saw a vision of the future, he sought to prevent it from occurring. He focused on preventing Padme's death instead of focusing on his life with Padme. As a result, the future he saw is the future he created for himself.

  rogue_nine9
date Posted: Jul 20, 2005 9:16 PM
Anakin/Vader may have stopped relying on visions after his RotS vision turned out to be self fulfilling.

A person who focuses on success will most likely succeed whereas a person who focuses on not failing will most likely fail. To succeed and to not fail are the same goal, but the roads leading to that goal are different.
Kind of like a coach telling you to play to win, instead of playing not to loose
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Jul 20, 2005 9:40 PM
Anakin/Vader may have stopped relying on visions after his RotS vision turned out to be self fulfilling.

That would mean he can still see, but chooses to ignore the visions. Moreover, he chooses not to share them for fear of somehow bringing them to fruition. Would Vader ignore impending disaster? That's a level of control he did not exhibit as Anakin, but I wonder if Vader is capable of it. Though I don't necessarily find it as easy to explain his apparent lack of vision, it's an interesting theory.
  ForgottenMaster
Exile's not so bad...once the craziness sets in.
date Posted: Jul 21, 2005 5:18 PM
Perhaps it's as simple as dreams being products of souls, which Anakin lost when becoming Vader. That...and what did Vader have to dream about anyway? Everything he once knew and loved was gone.

  jedimaster92391
date Posted: Jul 21, 2005 5:43 PM
i think taht maybe as vader he didnt sleep, so with the visons in dream form he couldnt see them. Also i think that maybe that he had no will to see the futuer becuas eof the death of padma.
  Dunn-Ry
date Posted: Jul 21, 2005 7:00 PM
"Dreams pass, in time"
-Obi-Wan




In Ep. III Anikan talks with master Yoda about his visons, so then in Ep. V when Yoda was training Luke, Luke sees the visons about Clowd City and Yoda warns him of those visons and what they can do becuase of what Anikan had told him.
I don't think that you need to be asleep to have visons.(maybe when you are calm or at rest)We just know that Anikans visons came when he was asleep.

these are good comments though.

-Dun-ry



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The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Jul 21, 2005 7:49 PM
I don't think that you need to be asleep to have visons.(maybe when you are calm or at rest)We just know that Anikans visons came when he was asleep.

True - at one point in Ep3, as Anakin sits on a couch looking at a datapad in Padme's apartment, he has a waking vision of Padme's death. He asks her then "Obi-Wan has been here, hasn't he?" So he doesn't have to be asleep to have visions of the present or future.
  -=G.a.n.o.N=-
date Posted: Jul 21, 2005 8:10 PM
As far as I see it, Anakin never controled what he would foresee, then maybe when he turn to the dark side, the force stops to send him visions.

He's not controlling the vision, the Force is.
  BobaBee81
date Posted: Jul 21, 2005 9:51 PM
Maybe he never stops having visions, but he no longer has people he cares about so they don't interfere in the visions. It's more of what he's focused on at the moment and maybe his training has caused him to be a lot more shortsighted to where he only sees victories of the Emperor. Besides nowhere has it ever said he stopped having visions, they just don't really mention it. But in 4 or 5 doesn't Vader say that he has forseen
  salaciouscrumb30
date Posted: Jul 22, 2005 12:14 AM
THAT IS SOME AWESOME INSIGHT. MORE I WILL HAVE TO PONDER THESE THINGS
  Darius, Lord Of The Sith
Thoughts From Darius
date Posted: Jul 22, 2005 12:31 AM
The novelization of ROTS gives some insight. The short of it is that Anakin loses a large part of his connection to the "Living Force" because so much of his body has been replaced by machinary. In the book, it implies that when he screams and crushes everything at the end of the film, he is trying to kill Palpatine, but lacks the focus and ability to do so because of his injuries. In the end, he latches on to the Emperor because Palpatine is all he has left....
  Darius, Lord Of The Sith
Thoughts From Darius
date Posted: Jul 22, 2005 12:33 AM
...Thus, we can infer that his focus on Palpatine and his diminished skills lead him away from his visions. I also agree personally that he only regains that sort of insight when he starts having contact with Obi Wan and Luke, who conjur up feelings that he had long since forgotten. The novelization is actually a good read and provides many insights into the questions people have been asking.
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Jul 22, 2005 6:55 AM
True, he at least regains or (I think) merely retains some sort of vision into present disturbances and proximities ("I sense something..a presence I haven't felt since..." in regard to Obi-Wan in ANH and "I have felt him, my Master." in regard to Luke in ROTJ), and I agree that it's his reconnection with Obi-Wan and Luke, mainly Luke, that causes this awareness. However he still seems to lack foresight - he knows they are near, but is served by no premonitions about their effect on his own destiny. You're right, I'd like to go back to the novelizations and see what it says about these things...
  SCRAPINFRAME
date Posted: Jul 22, 2005 8:05 AM
speaking of sleep, has anyone read or heard of how vader does sleep?how can he have his mask off for what ever reason in that chamber thing in ep5,and like luke says,if i take it off you'll die.so how does vader sleep? and why can't his mask be taken off,if it was in that chamber?and then said more so that it can't be? how does he eat?
  Jedisithgirl
date Posted: Jul 22, 2005 9:53 AM
I believe that the chamber was a hyperbaric chamber which allowed him to breathe on his own for short periods of time, and possibly eat, sleep and whatever.... He could not do this outside the chamber. :D
  bishopniceguy
date Posted: Jul 22, 2005 12:38 PM
I'm pretty sure you answered your own questions....more than twice. But I'll weigh in anyway. Anakin had visions as a Jedi, but not as Vader. So what's the difference between the two? Anakin was of the light, Vader was of the dark. Simple enough. You said it yourself. When Anakin gave in to the darkside, he gave up his some of his old strengths for new ones. And I'm sure Vader noticed the absence of his visions. Admiral Motti's comment about his lack of clairvoyence may have touched a twenty-year old nerve. Anyway the whole thing seems pretty cut-and-dry to me.
  soberjedi24
redemtion from the force
date Posted: Jul 22, 2005 1:33 PM
Luke represents his old life as a jedi, vader feels compeled to merge the two. "join me and together we can rule as father and son" Anakin feels he needs a cemented relationship with his light and dark side. thats why he always wants to have people he loves come with him, its part of his inability of letting go. But as vader, he was nothing to hold on to, and as such has little to no use for his jedi powers of clairvoyance. to use a metaphor: if youre locked in a dark room, youre searching for the light, if youre locked in a bright room, all you need to do is open the door
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Jul 22, 2005 2:36 PM
Anyway the whole thing seems pretty cut-and-dry to me.

Possibly, but this loss of foresight is never really explored. It is presented as an "understood" in the comparisons of characterizations developed as Anakin in the PT and Vader in the OT...

In fact, before we ever saw the PT, we never (at least I never) really thought of Vader as being vexed by these visions of the future, as surely Anakin was.

  Dunn-Ry
date Posted: Jul 24, 2005 11:36 AM
I think vader could breathe without his mask for at least a little bit, he did in ep. III. I think the mask was a in a way forceing him to stay alive.?
Anyway, his chamber was like his room were he could be alone, take his mast off, be Anikan for a bit? "Theres still good in him"
So in ep. VI when Luke says "but you'll die" , Anikan knew that you couldn't stop death "nothing can stop that now"





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  FraserK
date Posted: Jul 24, 2005 2:58 PM
By the way, how do you get the little pics beside your names???:|
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Jul 24, 2005 3:40 PM
It comes with a Hyperspace membership - Learn about Hyperspace here..
  FraserK
date Posted: Jul 25, 2005 6:10 AM
K .Thanks.:D
  darthmikey495
date Posted: Jul 25, 2005 7:32 AM
is it just me or is every one of movies were people get visionsthey always try to stop them from coming and in the prosess cause them to happen!!!!
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Jul 25, 2005 8:27 AM
You know, I knew you were going to say that, and no matter how hard I tried, I was powerless to stop you...

:0)
  Dunn-Ry
date Posted: Jul 25, 2005 2:23 PM


Can someone give me a ride to Alderaan?


oh.....wait..........





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  jediprotik88
date Posted: Jul 26, 2005 2:42 AM
well,I think all the visions were caused by the will to protect his loved one's and when he became vader he lost that power.However,when he joins the light again and becomes anakin once more he regains that power.He starts caring for luke and jacen,jaina and anakin solo(his granchildren).In the New Jedi Order,he visits jacen and tells him to stand firm in the impending outcome.And his vision proved to be the main reason for the victory of the republic.
  msritajean
date Posted: Jul 31, 2005 8:55 PM
Anakin is written into the NJO? I haven't read any of those books yet and I am surprised to hear that. Interesting .....
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