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 | Moose Poodoodate posted: Aug 01, 2005 5:04 PM | updated: Aug 01, 2005 6:37 PM |

 | Old McPlagueis had a Farm... |
 He hath strut his 10 seconds upon the stage, full of sound and fury, signifying ...something. Or not.
I don't know what it was that prompted me to theorize about the role of Darth Plagueis the Wise. Maybe it was just something I've been thinking about. Maybe I hit my head. Or, I dunno, maybe it's the umpteen-gazillion opinions I've seen on the Grandaddy of Dark Lords. For fear of perpetrating a blatant pun in the form of a Gumpism, it's clear that Plague-is as Plague-does - the topic has spread like an insipid disease.
So let's go with the first given. Palpatine had a master, and his name was Plagueis. Cool.
Secondly, Plagueis must have been a powerful Dark Lord to have trained Palpatine into the disgusting wretch that he was.
Thirdly, he must have the power to create life. Right? Why? Because Palpatine said so, that's why. And Palpatine has never, ever lied to you. He's been your pal the whole time. I don't know about you, but I'd leave my wallet with Palpy and not have to count my cash.
Plus we have proof: Anakin. Surely Anakin was created by Plagueis to become the Chosen One. Perhaps even to trick the Jedi into believing he was the Chosen One. Of course, it never occurred to The Wise guy that he might be fulfilling the prophecy himself. But hey, he didn't get the nickname "Wise" for clipping coupons.
But let's not stop there. If you're an evil Dark Lord of the Sith with the power to create force sensitive psychos like Anakin, then why go halfway? Why not round up a lovely harem of hapless Shmi's and create a Dark Army of Anikinians. Wave after wave of Chosen Ones. A Gaggle of Dark Padawans, waiting to fall to the Dark Side.
So clearly Plagueis created Mace Windu. And maybe Aayla Secura. And Kit Fisto. And Asajj Ventress. And Obi-Wan Kenobi. And heck, maybe he created Padme, too. And for all we know, he created Palpatine. And Salacious Crumb for Siths and Giggles. Sure, not all of his lab experiments went well, but he got some good products out of it. It might be that only Yoda is a genuine product forged outside of the local Force Mill.
It stands to reason that Plagueis had been around for centuries, prolonging his own life, creating bits of key personnel here and there as needed. A maid, a Grand Moff, a cribbage partner, an apprentice. A good guy here, a bad guy there, here a Sith, there a Sith, everywhere a Sith Sith...
This guy has more socks than Woolworths, by cracky.
Yep. Come to think of it, it stands to reason that Plagueis played Johnny Apple God everywhere he went, springing up veritable towns of little Plagueisite men and women, ripe to serve his evil plans. This would be the utlimate power, would it not? To create life, and to take it away at will? Surely if Plagueis, a most powerul Sith Master, knew this, he could have very well ruled the Galaxy, the goal of just about any Sith brave enough to put the name tag on. And if Palpatine truly knew this power, he wouldn't have to rely on a broken down half-man, half-machine to do his dirty work. Yep. It would be good to be god.
Or...for some unexplained reason, maybe he could just make one guy? And he picked Anakin? And, then knowing his master's ultimate power, instead of learning how to do it first, Palpatine killed him? Whoops?
Dunno. I know Lucas would like to leave this as "ambiguous", mainly to spur this sort of debate. But maybe, just maybe, we're making this a little harder on ourselves than we need to. Maybe, just maybe, if you think about someone who's told, shall we say, just a few tall tales in his time to get what he wanted, someone like a Senator turned Chancellor turned Emperor upon a staircase of falsehoods, just maybe this is just one more lie of our darling Palpatine? Sure, Plagueis existed, and if so, Plagueis would have been Palpatine's master. But that might be as far as this thing goes, if if actually goes that far.
Because let's face it, you can't even spell Plagueis or Palpatine with out a LIE in there somewhere. And that, friends, is my considered Snarky opinion.
:0)
DM out
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sowrdweilder
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date Posted: Aug 01, 2005 6:32 PM
some were before TPM, shmi ran into a man named plaguies. feeling the strong midieclorean count or force sensitivitty shmi had, he wanted to use that in some way. i guess sidius wasent enough as a aprentice or that he wanted sidius to be the master of anikin. through the force he knew that they would run into each other somewere in there. having the power to create life he used it to get shmi "pregnet". after that he started to lose his power and sidius took advantege of the sitiation and killed him like any sith would. the thing is, darth plgs didnt know that ani would be the chosen one and kill palp, riding the sith from the galexey for a long time.
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sowrdweilder
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date Posted: Aug 01, 2005 6:37 PM
i know this for a fact becaus it was posted on a website, written by a official lucus writter.
plgs never created jedi. why the wookie would he do that? ooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh
because he was a dumb sith thats why. but he dident.
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Aug 01, 2005 6:46 PM
But, there is no such thing as an "official lucus writter" posting anything official other than on SW.com, methinks. ...hey...Palpy? Is that you? :0)
I would be curious, however, to see the link if you've still got it around, and the name of the writer and/or what he's written, just to see where this comes from. If there's an "official" opinion on the web, it's only "official" on a Lucasfilm site, as far as I have ever known.
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Darth-Razik
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date Posted: Aug 01, 2005 6:57 PM
Here are the facts i see eye to eye with you about,
Palpatine did have a master by the name of Plagueis, and yes maybe he was a very powerful sith, with his young apprentice sidious...
there any many mysteries about the force and what it is capable of, it is said in many books of jedi being able to slowly heal themselves with concentration of the force,
who is not to say Plagueis knew of a better to way to manipulate the medi cloriens?
If he was as great at dodging death as palpatine says, maybe that is why he killed him in his sleep, rather than try and fight him alive, because he might just be able to pull something palpatine wouldnt be able to better.
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Darth-Razik
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date Posted: Aug 01, 2005 6:58 PM
Now the disagrements,
This whole thing about him running the whole show from day one, i think your getting a little off there, i dont believe Plagueis to be a million millenia old, otherwise his name would have probably came up durring KOTOR, Revan or malak would surely know of him then, let alone maybe Ajunta Pal or someone yes?
The other big one ive seen said by a few people, Plagueis is not responsible for Anakin Skywalker (IMO), Im still running on the possibility that maybe every bunch of years out of the blue a random child born on a certain day of a passing star or something along those lines, just wakes up with a strong sence of force, and a title as the chosen one,
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Darth-Razik
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date Posted: Aug 01, 2005 6:58 PM
i havent really read up much on it, and lets face it, it is a very touchy subject how anakin came to be, your theory is as good of a guess as mine =)
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Aug 01, 2005 7:14 PM
Well, let's not let my extreme use of hyperbole and snarky goodness muddy the waters - I also don't believe he'd been around for millions of years, but surely one who could prolong life prolonged his own, aside from his alleged untidy end. The real thrust of my skepticism is a) the source, Palpatine, a non-stop crazy train of malevolent lies and manipulations and b) the very idea that a Sith would use the power to create life, and use it only once? and...(cont'd)
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Aug 01, 2005 7:14 PM
c) the very idea that a Sith, whose main focus in life is anger, hate, mistrust, aggression, lies, and the advancement of one's self, would somehow turn these powers into life-giving properties? and d) the very idea that he would have given Palpatine, his ruthless apprentice, his most valuable asset of knowledge? No - that's not how Sith work. It's as unlikely as Palpatine wearing Bermuda shorts under his robes...
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Darth-Razik
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date Posted: Aug 01, 2005 7:36 PM
The possibilities are endless
But why would they use these abilities to create someone else stronger, rather than use them to make only themselves stronger? as most siths goals are the power for themselves yes?
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nagejac
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date Posted: Aug 01, 2005 8:19 PM
Couldn't Palpatine have concieved Anakin? Just a thought.
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msritajean
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date Posted: Aug 01, 2005 9:39 PM
Thanks for the snarky Moose.
No official Lucas writer here to over-analyze things.... just thanks for the Snarky.
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TK 8970
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date Posted: Aug 02, 2005 7:59 AM
that was.....odd
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Aug 02, 2005 2:24 PM
why would they use these abilities to create someone else stronger, rather than use them to make only themselves stronger?
True - why would a Sith Lord, whose MC count could be no higher than average, create a vergance in the Force many times his own strength? Why would any Sith in his right mind make Anakin? Who wants their own Pinnochio turning on them? More importantly, if Palpatine had known Plagueis created Anakin, or made him himself, then why didn't Palpatine groom Anakin from the very beginning, as a child, instead of training Darth Maul? No, Palpatine found Anakin, he didn't create him, and neither did Plagueis, otherwise they would have indoctrinated him in Sith ways before he became too powerful..
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vickybumble
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date Posted: Aug 02, 2005 2:39 PM
I don't know what's more frightening - the fact that this entry makes sense, or the fact that by writing this blog you're making sense...
*returns to the safe world under her duvet*
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Darth Rex0 So be it....
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date Posted: Aug 03, 2005 11:12 AM
I never thought I would say this. I agree with a Moose. Good blog and I've felt that way ever since I saw ep III. I knew their would be conspiracy theorists out there saying it was Plageus or Palpy that created Anakin. All I've ever heard out of Lucas' mouth is that the Force created Anakin. Who knows, maybe one of those Sithies did create Anakin after a heavy night of drinking and accidently created him on Tatooine where they lost him because everyone gets lost in Tatooine.
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Jedi Knight Safira Felan The Meditation Chamber
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date Posted: Aug 03, 2005 8:51 PM
Well, Pablo Hidalgo said in his recent Q&A in the Star Wars Insider that Plagueis is indeed Sidious' master. But I agree...the idea of him creating Anakin seems a little absurd. I think that was just something Palpatine was saying to get Anakin to doubt his destiny even more. Oddly, even after Palpatine said that, Anakin didn't think much about it. He was too preoccupied with the "Jedi plot to take over the Republic." That particular ploy of Palpatine's then seems to have little relevance. All he'd have had to do was say "hey I can save Padme" and save himself the trouble of inventing some story about his former master creating the Chosen One meant to destroy them.
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nathanielobi1
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date Posted: Aug 04, 2005 12:40 PM
Finally someone has common sense around here...thanks Dark Moose
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Sebbycat Tatooine, the Hottest Spot in the Galaxy
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date Posted: Aug 05, 2005 11:50 PM
Thanks for your "certain point of view". I happen to agree. There's way too many unopened doors if Plageius was so All-powerful. Palpatine was a pathological liar and it surprised me that it took so long for anyone to figure it out.....
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Jedi Flaherty The Gray-Matter World
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date Posted: Aug 09, 2005 8:04 AM
Well said, Mr. Moose. Although this beaten horse is well past dead, I may have to take one more whack at it on my blog -- there are timelines to consider, after all. 
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bonniegrrl Droids Just Wanna Have Fun
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date Posted: Aug 18, 2005 11:02 AM
well I'm technically an official Lucasfilm writer...
But as far as claiming an official Lucasfilm writer said something specific about this topic, unless it comes out of the mouths of Leeland Chee, Pablo Hidalgo, Paul Ens, Steve Sansweet, Sue Rostoni, Jonathan Rinzler, Karen Traviss, oh and George, then don't believe it.
Oh and "here a Sith, there a Sith, everywhere a Sith Sith..." is the best line ever.
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A.J. ---------------
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date Posted: Aug 20, 2005 2:04 PM
Yeah, I don't but into the whole "Plagueis created Anakin" stuff.
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Sunnyskywalker Sunnyskywalker's Star Wars Stuff
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date Posted: Aug 23, 2005 6:45 PM
Maybe Plagueis was playing around, it happened by accident, he wrote in in his Sith blog, Palpatine killed him right after he clicked "post" and went to bed, and then Palpy read the blog and went, "Oh, Sith, he didn't write how he did that or where he left the kid!"
Or not. There's definitely something fishy about the whole story.
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lia_nailo Random Ruminations of a SW Fangirl
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date Posted: Aug 24, 2005 2:51 AM
 ... I once again am highly entertained.
oh, and this ( "Maybe Plagueis was playing around, it happened by accident, he wrote in in his Sith blog, Palpatine killed him right after he clicked "post" and went to bed, and then Palpy read the blog and went, "Oh, Sith, he didn't write how he did that or where he left the kid!"") is just funny, when you figure that Palps is probably blogging in his Bermuda shorts, because no one wants to wear the voluminous robes around all the time.
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