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 | Moose Poodoodate posted: Oct 02, 2005 9:57 AM | updated: Oct 02, 2005 4:35 PM |

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 Karen Traviss made a truly interesting blog entry - Why maths is a slippery slope in the GFFA. I like it because it gives us an inside perspective to how Star Wars authors face what some perceive to be inconsistancies. More importantly, however, it's good sound advice. Karen has her own name for this syndrome, but I call it the "Sound in Space Conundrum".
Fans will often times get so caught up in the details, or more so that the details won't consistantly add up in their heads, that they call foul. The Super Star Destroyer argument comes to mind. But just because you aren't immediately handed an explanation of how the details could work, doesn't mean they don't work. There is one thing that George Lucas asks of you as a fan to get your mind around his creations: Use your imagination.
But so often, we as fans are lazy in this department. If we don't see a handy ruler next to a capital ship, if we don't see a manual on Jedi immortality, if we don't get to read Luke's or Leia's infant minds as they gaze on their mother, if we don't get to see the project plan for the 2nd Death Star...we shut down. We don't see past whats on the screen, or in the books. I've seen fans argue with each other until their faces or the air around them is blue with well-chosen monikers regarding heritage and integrity and body parts and such. All over things that perhaps they could just work out in their own mind.
Karen's blog entry reminded me of this. Basically, what she is saying is "if you can accept this problematic fact, why can't you accept the others?" The irony there is, of course, it's not fact at all - it's fiction, which means it's as maleable as your own, or the author's, imagination with limitations on the givens we already have. I'm not proposing that we can bring the dead back to life. But I am saying that if it doesn't have an explanation, maybe we're meant to find our own.
Why do I call it the "Sound in Space Conundrum"? Because if we're going to argue the physical impossibilities or exacting measurements of things, but never question the idea that in the Star Wars galaxy they apparently have sound in a vacuum and little green dudes that can levitate X-Wings, why question any of it? Some would say "well, there are just some things you don't bother questioning" ....
Egggggggz-
ZACKLY.
It's fiction. There are some things you can get past with your own imagination. We as fans should not become so lazy in such an amazing imaginary playground as to have left our imaginary sneakers at home.
The reason all this comes up is Karen posed a particularly interesting question about the math involved in creating the numbers of clones. She pointed out that, on the surface, it just wouldn't work. And she's right - absolutely. In the strictest terms, Kamino was insufficient in space and energy to produce the size of army that was needed to fill the ranks of the GAR, and later Imperial Army. Her point is, I believe, is that if you can get past this, but vehemently question some small detail like..I dunno...what the bulges were on SSD's, then you're perhaps answering your own question. This is something I touched lightly upon with much snarkage here in this blog entry awhile back. If you let one go in a logical universe, you have to let them all go. But that's not the point of Star Wars, is it? This isn't about logical contraints - it's rather the opposite, which is exactly what makes it so interesting to us.
Her point then, made me think. And I says to myself, I says:
"Wait just a gulldern minute. You can work that problem out. You just have to use yer melon and go outside the box."
The questions I've seen about clone numbers, for instance, go a little something like this:
1) "There aren't enough clones to take over and maintain military dominance over a galaxy"
2) "Kamino was insufficient as a facility to produce said clones"
I have a few automatic answers that really I provide myself. You know - from my imagination. Mind you, I'd never worry so much about it, but it's the persistant asking of other fans that makes you have to work these things out in your brain.
My first automatic answer for myself has always been (and yes, it's a stretch) Kamino is simply not the only cloning facility. No, I have no proof of that, nothing canon. It just makes sense to me that Kamino is the first of many facilities. It just happens to be the first one, which cranked out the initial batch, and the technology, of GAR clones.
One might say "but didn't Taun We tell Obi-Wan it would take time to make more?" Sure. But they weren't exactly being forthcoming with info. It may yet take time to turn out successive batches, but who's to say there are not concurrent, staggered batches being produced? We already saw at least 2 generations of clones during Obi-Wan's visit. The younger versions (see them in training at learning consoles), age-accelerated, would be ready in perhaps 3-5 years time. If those are there, what about other older or younger generations? And again - is Kamino the only hidden cloning facility, one of many that later won't have to be hidden?
Not to mention, it never hurts to remember this is a trumped up war (which brings us to my second answer) - one they were effectively losing by and large at the time of ROTS. As much as I like these guys, the truth is it wasn't the GAR that defeated the CIS 'droid army. It was Sidious telling them to flip the switch. In the meantime, the technolgoy has been internalized by the Empire from Kamino, and seeded cloning stations throughout the galaxy. In 10 years, they could have their billions - money and real estate is not as much of a concern in an Empire of thousands of systems. Not to mention the eventual admission of normal recruits to supplement the ranks.
My last point is something ...I almost hate to say, but in concept, on paper, it works - the "Rumsfield Doctrine" - a relatively small force, empowered by high-technology support and implements, can with some effort take and hold large amounts of territory. I almost hate to say this because I really love the clones and later Stormies, so I don't want to cheapen their "legacy" in the Star Wars universe, but they're a bit like Doritos. "Use em up, we'll make more."
This is, at least, what the Empire later made them to be - highly trained cannon fodder. At it's inception, before the political shift, the GAR was comprised of highly prized individuals, which is part of the shame of the rise of the Empire that they would become later so devoid of importance.
Anyway, I don't bring this up so much as a technical answer, but more of a plot resolution. We don't always know what's going on in the background, but it doesn't hurt to do some of the mental work as readers and movie-goers to fill in the blanks a bit ourselves and get on with our lives :0)
It sometimes annoys me we as fans get caught up on details that, if we just used our imagination, we could work out. Really, it just annoys me that we sometimes get so caught up so much in the detail and not the story, but that's me. Are my own personal answers to these questions the right ones? Nah - they're just mine. My point is, if I could come up with these, why doesn't everyone just come up with their own while they're getting popcorn?
Yes, it's part of the Star Wars experience is to flesh out the universe in exacting detail. But the point of that is not to create a universe of numbers and reality. We've got one of those, remember? I think it's that detailed part of it that allows you to believe the fantasy so much more. Not only is it important to know the value of reality, but on the flipside its best not to cheapen our forays into escapism by trying to make them exactly alike. I like the ambiguous nature of Star Wars. It tells me its a place where anything can happen.
Authors are often constrained by the Continuity Monster, and really, the whole retcon thing actually makes more stories - why? Because they use their imagination to solve interesting problems. I guess what I'm saying is we can sometimes make those logical leaps as well. They may be constrained by what is already explained, but we can fill in so many gaps ourselves and just...you know...keep reading or watching our movies and not have a seizure.
Now, I guarantee what happens next, and you know, it's OK. I won't reach everyone. Someone out there is going to miss the point of this particular entry and say "But....if you have x number of cloning facilities and the summer solstice isn't yet dawned with the allignment of Kamino and Tatooine, yada yada yada yada.... " I'm not going to make fun of you. It just means that you and I speak a fundamentally different language. It happens.
After all, I'm just a moose. :0) And everyone knows meese can't type.
DM out
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janlomona Smugglers Rants
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date Posted: Oct 02, 2005 10:15 AM
All true, every word of it.
I miss the old days of the Brian Daley Han Solo Trilogy, and Splinter of the Minds Eye. An author was given Han, Chewie, the Falcon and nothing else, or Luke, Leia, Vader and the droids and nothing else.
Then told to write a great sci-fi novel, which Daley and Foster did so well.
Nowadays, without the endless Star Trek-like tech details and explanations for every single action in a Star Wars novel people can't seem to `understand' or `rationalise' what's going on. (if I read that on a scale of 1 to 10 Yoda is a 9, Mace an 8 etc again I swear I'll scream - WHO CARES!)
Give me a break...
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Karen Traviss "Cannon to right of them, cannon to left of them...noble Three Million!"
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date Posted: Oct 02, 2005 10:27 AM
DM, you're an officer and a gentleman. Or a scholar and a gentleman. Whatever. A gentleman nonetheless.
I'm a very pedantic, data-rational, journalist with the soul of an accountant. But even I can do the mental gear change required to accept that sometimes Zeus has to turn into a swan (a) to illustrate a greater truth about metamorphosis, (b) to fit some other god's continuity (damn you, Hera!) and (c) because sometimes turning into a swan is quite cool. : )
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Oct 02, 2005 10:32 AM
Oh I can totally understand (well...not from practical experience, mind you) the daunting task of reconciling previous "fictional fact" while creating more. But I guess my point is, really, it's not completely the reponsibility of the author to hold our hands through every nuance and detail. My whole GAR thang was just an example of how I as a movie-goer or reader can take the information given, and instead of mentally grinding to a halt (to use your metaphor) because someone didn't fill in all the blanks for me, I can pick up where it leaves off. I mean - that's why we can read Harry Potter, isn't it? :0)
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Oct 02, 2005 10:37 AM
Oh and I hope you don't think I was taking a jab at your information about Kamino - quite the contrary - what you said made absolute sense. The beauty of it is, I can fix that problem in my own noggin! What would happen if we all did this? Sure - my points may not all make perfect sense, but I guess the point is, if I can do it, anyone can. In fact, I think they're missing part of the fun when they don't...
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ferumFierfek Rants from the Outer Rim
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date Posted: Oct 02, 2005 11:08 AM
yeah, its better to leave things up to people imagionation then to provide an explanation that doesn't make sense (like a lot of sci-fi movies out there)
that why lucas calls star wars a space opera.
you aren't suppose to sit and fret about all the like technical things.
yeah, i really dislike the technical commentaries......
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Bekkara The Wroshyr Tree
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date Posted: Oct 02, 2005 11:32 AM
For being a moose and unable to type, you make far more sense then some of the humans out there.
While I respect and even enjoy continuity and plausibility discussions, sometimes I think it's more fun to just sit back, relax, not think and let the movies just take me away. I find it interesting how both sides of that coin are so much a part of that which makes Star Wars, well, Star Wars.
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Karen Traviss "Cannon to right of them, cannon to left of them...noble Three Million!"
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date Posted: Oct 02, 2005 12:50 PM
Oh and I hope you don't think I was taking a jab at your information about Kamino
Not at all, mate. And even if you had been, that's okay, because you'd do it in a polite and charming manner. (That's all I ask, chaps...) Just threw it in to illustrate why I don't lose sleep over having to say 3m clones instead of 30 billion.
And...well, let's just say what you've worked out for yourself is...identical to the conversations I've had with RK over the past 18 months. This is the real art of storytelling as humans have always done it around the campfire. Explaining the apparently unexplainable things about the world. And it's fun.
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Oct 02, 2005 1:34 PM
And...well, let's just say what you've worked out for yourself is...identical to the conversations I've had with RK over the past 18 months.
Ha - and you said Mando's can't mind-meld :0) That's kinda scary :0)
So if you're still around, I'm wondering about this magical CD of Leland's. It's propietary property, I take it. Not for public consumption? I really need to do some research on the Imperial Senate...to help me with a ..thang.
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Oct 02, 2005 2:09 PM
Damn. Well - I guess I'll have to do it the old-fashioned way and read stuff :0) Thanks for the answer though! Maybe I could ask Leland just some Q&A's about past material and he could point me in the right direction...
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ferumFierfek Rants from the Outer Rim
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date Posted: Oct 02, 2005 3:29 PM
they should make a holocron of all the published stuff.
have it be a subscription thing like hyperspace.
that would be so cool  .......
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Oct 02, 2005 3:40 PM
It would also be so helpful, but I understand the need to separate out the propietary information, especially in regard to unreleased works. Even something that is current up until a year ago would be so helpful - given that us normal fans can comprehend it in its current form. Sounds pretty complex.
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RogueJedi86
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date Posted: Oct 02, 2005 11:47 PM
If you need information, I'm gonna suggest http://www.theforce.net/swenc
It's the Completely Unofficial Star Wars Encyclopedia. It's updated most of the time to include new sources of information as they come out. So hopefully that will help with your Imperial Senate(or any other) information.
It's not the Holocron, but it's pretty close 
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Oct 03, 2005 9:04 AM
Thanks - that's helpful. Sometimes the Databank just falls shy of some of the more obscure information.
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DarthWaxx
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date Posted: Oct 03, 2005 9:45 AM
I agree with this starwars fans out there takes this stuff from beyond using their heads and using their imagination.Mr Lucas has giving us a great universe but it is just a fictional place,all the blogs that i see dealing with Anakin is Plag son or Did Mace really when the fight who cares stop debating on this stuff and get on with ur lifes like the world is gonna stop when someone finally has the answer if plagus had the something to with Anakin then if that happens someone will try to come up with something better then that these blogs from what i have been seeing is the same the topics the same answers forget these things move on.
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Oct 03, 2005 10:16 AM
The funny thing is, although I have no direct proof of this, it's exactly those ongoing debates that I suspect is GL's plan. The little holes - the places where fact could be, but we instead have questions, is very much his style I think. As long as we're asking questions, as long as we're obsessed with answers, we're daydreaming, or in some cases thrashing about in agony, about the universe George created. Continuity nuthin - this is culture. I don't doubt that mistakes aren't made in something so complex. By I think a lot of it, especially in the movies, may be...amusing to him. It's certainly (occasionally) amusing to me. :0)
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Oct 03, 2005 10:24 AM
My whole thing is - realize it is what it is - it's fun, and part of that fun is wondering about the answers, or going that extra step and speculating working models. My beef remains with those that, when not handed a technical diagram or a complete synopsis of everything that's happening, basically fall apart and start cursing the entire enterprise for not spoonfeeding them the details.
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Oct 03, 2005 10:24 AM
You know what's funny, in the end? We don't even get that with this universe, why should we get it in a place in which it behooves the creator for us to ask so many questions, or solve so many riddles? Think about it. Even here in reality, we have to find the answers ourselves. Thank goodness I can escape to Star Wars where at least half of the answers are provided up-front, and the questions, at least for me, don't cause headaches.
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Darth Rex0 So be it....
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date Posted: Oct 03, 2005 10:51 AM
Good stuff as usual DM. I touched on this much more light heartedly (is that a word) in my last blog. I think it is important to remember these stories are fiction and I enjoyed how you tied it into an EU wiriter's delimma. Keep up the blogging. How do you attatch links to blogs you've written anyway? I'm just a goof and you don't have to answer that.
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Oct 03, 2005 12:13 PM
You mean, do a fancy link? Type the name of the link, such as Moose Poodoo, then highlight those words, click on the "URL" button, paste the actual hyperlink URL in the window that pops up, and boom - yer done.
You get something like this - Moose Poodoo
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Oct 03, 2005 1:44 PM
Aw - I thought you were going to link your blog - guess I'll have to go find it the hard way :0)
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Dylax
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date Posted: Oct 03, 2005 6:46 PM
So Dark Moose your saying it's just fantasy right? So with the right imagination it would be ok for the Death Star to suddenly grow arms and legs and start playin X-box live with Palpatine and General Grievous. After all it is just fantasy so thats perfectly fine scince in using my imagination. Am i right?
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Diviner525 In the Flesh
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date Posted: Oct 03, 2005 10:45 PM
I love the technical details of things in the Star Wars universe. Doesn't much matter to me if it is canon or musket or even bayonet. If its got a scientific side to it, I'm gonna explore the options - and I'm gonna cry foul when it I think it is a foul ball.
This does not mean I'm going to suddenly stop being a SW fan. Just means I've got a few brain cells that still work.
D525.
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Oct 03, 2005 11:50 PM
it would be ok for the Death Star to suddenly grow arms and legs and start playin X-box live with Palpatine and General Grievous
Wow - you actually recycled a joke. So I guess I can too...
"Personally I don't remember this happening. But whatever floats your fantasy boat."
You funny kid you. :0)
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Oct 04, 2005 12:07 AM
I love the technical details of things in the Star Wars universe. Doesn't much matter to me if it is canon or musket or even bayonet. If its got a scientific side to it, I'm gonna explore the options - and I'm gonna cry foul when it I think it is a foul ball.
D525 - I actually get what you're saying, and believe it or not, I do eat up the details. I just become a little disillusioned with some of the more ardent factions of fandom that forego the story for the details. Lots of things don't add up. But there have always been things that don't add up, and the way I look at it, as long as I can imagine a way it could add up, that's enough for me.
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Oct 04, 2005 12:48 AM
GL has always had a way of "depositing" details in the SW universe without explanation. It make us ask why. It's a gift, this curiosity, not a burden. But we as fans can so often demand LFL mitigate our own imagination, and then complain when it doesn't add up to our personal equations. And in doing so...we've lost something. And not just the point.
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Lieutenant Wiggum Jansen DETENTION BLOG AA23
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date Posted: Oct 04, 2005 8:30 AM
This is, at least, what the Empire later made them to be - highly trained cannon fodder.
Of course, that's the entire point. The Empire is utilitarian, with a complete disregard for human life. Life is to be used, then disposed of....
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Oct 04, 2005 9:09 AM
Of course, that's the entire point. The Empire is utilitarian, with a complete disregard for human life. Life is to be used, then disposed of....
That is, to me, the major part of the point about clones/Stormtroopers. Getting past the numbers, the real story lies in the moral questions of using thinking, feeling, breathing humanity this way.
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Darthflaga
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date Posted: Oct 04, 2005 9:59 AM
It is as if the Empire is infinite in numbers. It will never end unless the Sith Lords are disposed of.
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Darthflaga
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date Posted: Oct 04, 2005 10:05 AM
Great comment Dark Moose as always. I think that's what GL meant in the first place. Seeing that he let authors fill in the blank for him. We fans are to do the same thing. The SW galaxy is so huge that GL left penty of space for us to use our imagination.
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Oct 04, 2005 12:47 PM
Gracias, BG. :0) I was inspired by a great man...
Imagine there's more cloners,
It's easy if you try,
On lots of different planets,
The limit is the sky,
Imagine all the Clonies
living for today...
ooo-hooo-oooeooo
You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And go back to having fun...
(Standard moose disclaimer applies: "Or not.") :0)
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Dylax
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date Posted: Oct 04, 2005 12:55 PM
Wow - you actually recycled a joke
 sorry on the origanal joke I got confused which blog i was in, rough day.
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RJ-1 Kenobi Journal of the Wibbles
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date Posted: Oct 04, 2005 1:58 PM
"It is easier to believe the impossible than the improbable."
Wonderful saying. I can't remember who came up with it, but it's true.
This is a great blog, Moose, really insightful. Calling this habit of fans the "Sound in Space Conundrum" is very fitting. I remember Jim Cameron saying simiar things about Terminator 2. Apparently fans had been berating him for the way in which he'd shown a motorcycle bouncing off the front of a truck, saying it wasn't realistic. Yet those same fans had no problem whatsoever with a shape-shifting liquid metal killer cyborg from the future....
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Oct 04, 2005 3:01 PM
Apparently fans had been berating him for the way in which he'd shown a motorcycle bouncing off the front of a truck, saying it wasn't realistic. Yet those same fans had no problem whatsoever with a shape-shifting liquid metal killer cyborg from the future....
Classic :0) Were they so affronted by the bizarre aspects they have to measure only the understandable to feel comfortable again? I mean - we've got telekenesis, ESP, terminated light beams, anti-gravity, and no relativity effects from Faster than Light travel. The whole thing is clearly a massive cover-up. :0) Dirty, dirty fiction...so unclean...so...inaccurate..eww...
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Xessmithia
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date Posted: Oct 04, 2005 6:20 PM
Dark Moose, I'm confused as to why you're telling us technically minded people to use our "imaginations" and swallow every number that comes from on high from the EU regardless of how non-sensical it is. Do you not realize the amount of imagination it takes to comprehend and quantify the massive scale of the STAR WARS galaxy?
It is not as if we technically minded people do not appreciate the story of SW, so perhaps it is time for you to take your own advice and use your imagination to understand where the other side is coming from rather than just dismissing them out of hand.
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Oct 04, 2005 6:57 PM
To have created Star Wars in any detail took an immense amount of imagination. To accept Star Wars as a fan in the first place, to understand the slightest nuance, a lightsaber, an alien, a blaster, takes imagination in no great quantities, and therefore no great feat of the mind. To put meat on the bones of this universe, however, does take some doing, as many have - but not just the "technically minded folks". Many people have intuitively understood how these things work and interelate.
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Oct 04, 2005 7:00 PM
The next level, however, are those people who wish to build laws, and draw hard and fast lines, and predict values, and run experiments in said universe. Now you've taken a step backwards. You've stood on the shoulders of dreamers and attempted to build a cult of science of out of wispy strands of fancy. It rather takes a lack of imagination to devolve a dream into a series of laminated fact sheets, forever unchanging, forever "canon", and therefore locking out each and every mind that could give these things a second whimsical thought in blissful daydreaming - everyone will have less to think about, less to imagine, thanks to this thankfully small group that espouse such a ..."technically-minded" agenda.
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Oct 04, 2005 7:03 PM
By calling foul at every turn, when something appears not to make sense, limits a) the possibilities given you to larger story-weaving opportunities and b) the understanding, the central point of balance on which the entire story was told in the first place. The example above in this entry is just one opportunity I seized upon myself, not for anyone else, to say "you know, it could work that way. It doesn't have to, but it could, and that's enough for me to get back to the real story."
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Oct 04, 2005 7:03 PM
Because a fairy tale quantified is a tragically useless contradiction and a boring brochure of mankind's quest to boil the life out of the expanse of imagination so that they can lay it out on a periodic table and say "there - it's done." And then - what do you have? Boring chemistry teachers - the lot of us. Take my own advice? Thank you - I will. Always have.
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Oct 04, 2005 7:12 PM
I appreciate those people that work on continuity non-stop in Star Wars, and give us interesting things to think about - because those people understand when enough is enough, and too much is too much. They also respect the boundaries of mystery and mysticism. Thank goodness the people that work tirelessly to provide these stories, and the continuity between them, leave a little room for ideas and questions. They do a good job as it is giving me more to think about, than taking it all away as someone would have them do.
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Oct 04, 2005 7:15 PM
I would rather have someone tell a story by describing, for instance, "the old ramshackle house, leaning ominously over the crest of a hill like an old man staring into the bleakness of his short future..." than to set about telling me, "by the way, here's how many nails were in the house, and how many planks, and how many pane glass windows, and this will always be so and never be any different and no, don't even try to think of something so outrageous as your own interpretation. Ours is dogma. Ours is law. now...what were we talking about?"
Oh yeah - The characters. The plot. The ideas. The lessons. The dreams.
The story.
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Oct 04, 2005 7:31 PM
That a small group of people want to downplay all that really talented imagination these people have put forth to satisfy a really rather needy audience is, I think, perhaps a latent desire to duplicate this reality into that fantastic landscape. That can only end in tedious dead-ends, and I think this may be one of the reasons for the demise of another famous and once great sci-fi franchise - the story was forgotten, but technobabble reigned supreme. I think they do a fine job of realizing there is more than one type of reader, game-player and movie-goer out there. Continuity is complex enough as it is. When I understand the Star War universe at the molecular level, I rather think I'll dump my love for it in the trash compactor.
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Oct 04, 2005 7:36 PM
So I'll take, for instance, my understanding of the present ending of ROTJ, in which the second Death Star is destroyed, a son mourns his redeemed father, a princess and a pirate live on in happiness, and Ewoks dance around rather than tacking on the ludicrous footnote "Oh yeah, and a few minutes later, the wreckage of the destroyed station screamed through the atmosphere, not to mention the incredible radiation and heat, scorching the victorious Rebels and their furry companions in a fiery hellish cateclysm, rendering the celebration rather short-lived. Because, after all, you have to have science in your science fiction. The end." Psh. Please. And now - see, you've made me rant again :0)
DM out
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Xessmithia
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date Posted: Oct 04, 2005 8:44 PM
So in short, "I like my stories and everyone else can shove it even if the other people like the stories just as much as I do but also like having them making sense within themselves". Right, that basically sums that up now doesn't it.
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Oct 04, 2005 8:57 PM
Or is it "I like my technical details and everyone else can shove it even if it ruins the point for people that like the imaginitive prospects of figuring things out for themselves".
Right?
Orrr...is it really something in between. Is it really a matter of extremism at work. D525 said it best in another blog - what is sought here is balance. I like details too, but it's clear they can obscure the meaning. If people feel dismissed, they should perhaps not only ask not to be, but also wonder..."hey..why are we being dismissed?"
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Oct 04, 2005 9:00 PM
I don't think they are actually being dismissed - I think rather they get quite a bit for their appetite. But if it's in any degree, maybe it's because, like most things in the real world or fantasy world, sometimes too much is too much. If they had truly been dismissed, they would have never gotten any technical details. Instead, now, they're asking for the entire universe to be scientifically proven - fact, in a fictional world - which in itself is pure folly by definition.
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