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Moose Poodoo
date posted: Oct 09, 2005 5:28 PM  |  updated: Oct 11, 2005 2:39 PM
Earthropomorphism
Anthropomorphism - Six syllables, all about Human Nature. We tend to do it in a lot of important places, but it's nature is insidious, and therefore we do it even moreso in the details. It occurs in most cases on a level we don't recognize, because we've never had to think about anything but ourselves, and our own point of view. For the most part our perspective is that, like Vegas, what happens on Earth, stays on Earth.

We find it in the study of other Earthly species. We find it in how we view nature, and how we view religion. Ships and storms are women, and for some reason many gods are men. Even when got our first in-depth look at the surface another planet in our solar system, the popular mistake was to take astronomer Giovanni Schiaparelli's "canali" and surround them with a story about a vast network of canals. We want other things to be something human, somehow. And so it is defined as:

Anthropomorphism - (an'thro-po-môr'fz'm)
Attribution of human motivation, characteristics, or behavior to inanimate objects, animals, or natural phenomena.

This is a sort of global projection of our own limitations and concerns onto anything we can find. But I wonder, what is this in the context of Science Fiction, in which we have to deal many times with non-human culture, or more aptly, non-Earth culture. And so I, in my love for inventing vocabulary, define this as:

Earthropomorphism - (űrthro-po-môr'fz'm)
Attribution of Eartbound reasoning, characteristics, or behavior to inanimate objects, animals, or natural phenomena on extra-terrestrial worlds.

Is this a bad thing? Not so much. I think it depends.

On the one side, I enjoy characters and settings that make me think outside of my own context. We get used to thinking in the same old ways, and let's face it, you can't really depart from the human perspective in the end analysis. But it's a treat to crawl inside a totally alien mindset, where you may be lacking all of the usual reference points. Sometimes in Star Wars I see characters and I think "wow - most everyone has 2 arms, 2 legs, breathes, communicates verbally - what are the odds of that?" Even Jabba the Hutt, essentially a giant slug, digs cute human babes. Which, hey, I can't fault him there.

On the other side, however, Star Wars is ultimately about the human condition, and the human viewpoint. That it's set a long time ago, in a far away place may be an opportunity, to be sure. But it's also a saga about how we view ourselves, in the best and worst of times. If it were full of characters I couldn't possibly relate to, I might not get the meat of the drama.

There are still beings that would be impossible here. There are machines that we simply don't, and may never have, and mind-bending technology is so prevalent it's practically background noise. So I think the answer is in the average. I don't expect to find cowboy hats and horses, and to the credit of Star Wars, there aren't any.

But it's still an interesting question. To my perspective, I think it even seeps into our real life and supposedly sterile scientific classifications of the potential for life on other worlds. Take SETI, for instance - they are seeking signals and indications of intelligent life that, well, are based on human ideas of how communication takes place. As we look at other worlds, now visible to us for the first time around other stars, we give preference to those that seem to be Earth-like candidates when thinking about E.T. We look for rocky surfaces, carbon-based "organic" compounds, and most importantly, water. That rather excludes Moglop who lives as a crystaline structure at the bottom of a sea of liqid hydrogen in a crushing 13g environment and communicates via vibrations with it's fellow crystal-bros. But then, I bet Moglop's science fiction has nothing in it about slimy cellular semi-solids that constanly leave bits of themselves behind and communicate via energetic compression waves in oxygen or electromagnetic frequencies. Cuz...that would just be weird.

So this, by no means, is something limited to the arena of Science Fiction, it's seemingly in Science as well. How do you maintain objectivity in when conceiving alien landscapes and people when all we have ever had to build these ideas upon are our own, on this planet, in our convenient 1g, nitrogen-oxygen atmosphere, on which we are literally made mostly from water? Or water and snark with a twist of lime, in my case.

I bring it up because it's one of those interesting quandaries - a paradox about extremes. It reminds me of the mathematical principle that you can, in theory, only approach zero, but never reach it because there are an infinite number of points in between you and it, conceptually speaking. So it is in Science, and Science Fiction. It also lies in the infinities we perceive in our gods and devils. We might approximate this fantastic viewpoint, but can never really achieve it, so long as we're meatsacks on a ball of mud called Earth, and truth is, we can only see with the eyes given us.

In the end, what's amazing to me about the Earthbound mind is that even though that's true, we still try, and do quite well sometimes...

A little something to gnaw on for all you bipeds from your friendly neighborhood quadruped :0)

DM out

  DarthVicomte
Vicomte's Blog Extravaganza (Now Defunct)
date Posted: Oct 09, 2005 5:36 PM
Great to see other people think about this stuff too. I could go into a long explanation here, but let's just say there are so many things to ponder and examine, we will never understand or comprehend anything. My favorite saying to deal with such cosmic mysteries(meaning anything, really) is simply this, take it with what you will." It's like anything else".
End Transmission
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Oct 09, 2005 5:39 PM
What's disturbing is, what if Luke Skywalker is really Moglop :0) Son of the Chosen Crystal.
  Master_Kenobi17
Takin Over For Talon
date Posted: Oct 09, 2005 5:47 PM
Cool blog, totally random.

Funny whenever we talk about a primitive life form it seems like he always has to have the letters "g" and "lop" in his name.

You should re-name your blog "The Analects of Dark Mooscious"

The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Oct 09, 2005 5:59 PM
You should re-name your blog "The Analects of Dark Mooscious"

Sub-titled "The moosley musings of Bloglop" :0)
  Master_Kenobi17
Takin Over For Talon
date Posted: Oct 09, 2005 8:02 PM
LOL
  Gumby09
date Posted: Oct 09, 2005 8:04 PM
Nobody is more guilty of promoting anthropomorphism than Disney, with its portrayal of mice 'n brooms, singing, dancing, etc.

I think that Star Trek is far more guilty of earthropomorphism. If you are going to settle for bipeds, at least settle for Wookies or Twi'leks vs. my neighbour with ridges above her nose (I know, tv budget).

I am amazed by the CG worlds created by Lucas, but by ROTS I felt like I was playing a video game lava level. It would have been amazing to see more of that glow in the dark mushroom planet in the fall of the Jedi montage.

It will be interesting to see if a TV show has the variety of Episode III or feels more like Star Trek Enterprise.
  Master_Kenobi17
Takin Over For Talon
date Posted: Oct 09, 2005 8:10 PM
DM, btw, gotta say I love your name. My girlfriend's nick name for me is "moose", so I kinda have an affinity for meese.
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Oct 09, 2005 8:35 PM
I think that Star Trek is far more guilty of earthropomorphism.

Funny thing is, they actually worked at resolving that in TNG - you know the whole, "Ancestor Race" that spawned all humanoids. It kinda worked..sorta.

I kinda have an affinity for meese.

We have our moments :0) but then you'll find us mindlessly chewing on a discarded soda can or something and it sort of goes a way.
  Gumby09
date Posted: Oct 09, 2005 9:08 PM
I think that Star Trek is far more guilty of earthropomorphism.

Good point about TNG addressing this issue. I never did see that episode(s). Even so, the variety or races, creatures and locales in Star Wars hits a higher level, but is still flawed like much of SciFi.

An interesting SciFi book I read created an oxygen rich planet where all life was deadly to us (like Europe mixing with the New World) and we could not even visit it without protective suits. Yet, a story about dealing with a foreign environment is not as interesting as a more familiar fantasy world where good battles evil and people use the force to eat apples :)
  jediknight2210
Where did you dig up that old fossil?
date Posted: Oct 09, 2005 10:13 PM
you'll find us mindlessly chewing on a discarded soda can or something and it sort of goes a way.

Lol
  jSarek
jSarek's Infonet
date Posted: Oct 10, 2005 3:57 AM
Moose, you should see if you can get your hands on the book, What Does a Martian Look Like? by Jack Cohen and Ian Stuart. It addresses a number of concerns, and notes that Science Fiction has, on the whole, been *more* imaginative (and, thus, more realistic) than scientists when it comes to alien life.
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Oct 10, 2005 6:37 AM
I should like to read that, thanks for the tip. I think I understand, however, why scientists are limited in their viewpoint. To successfully apply the scientific method in the most efficient way, they have to limit their scope of vision to look for what they already understand. Otherwise, when they find something, they might not understand what they're looking at. In fact, that may have happened countless times already. Since resources for the search are limited and vastly outdone by the infinite nature of choices on how life could manifest itself, then it seems like rather forced anthropomorphism. But it still ends up being a willfull logical trap - assuming the conditions here would somehow be duplicated elsewhere.
  JediPandora27
date Posted: Oct 10, 2005 1:00 PM
DM, insightful blog...I was pondering this earlier today, while driving by a field full of cows (I live in TX), and wondering if they get bored and/or lonely, and if they love their owner (who I frequently see in his truck surrounded by the herd clustered as close as they can get). But maybe they are content... or maybe they are plotting to kill him. *shrug* We do tend to conform things to what we understand, and ignore everything else. Our imagination as a species is limited. I have been reading the Dark Nest books. They have to get kudos for at least going with an insectoid species this time (though, like Han, I think I would be totally wigged out). At least they get that far out the box. Anyway, great blog. Keep it up. :)
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Oct 10, 2005 5:46 PM
Thanks! Cows make me think too. I mean, ...what are they really up to? Think about it.
  jSarek
jSarek's Infonet
date Posted: Oct 11, 2005 3:38 AM
Correction: I incorrectly named one of the co-authors as "Ian Stuart" above. The correct spelling of his name is Ian Stewart. Apologies for any confusion.
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Oct 11, 2005 7:39 AM
No probs - I doubt that will keep me from finding the book :0)
  Sol Kassar
Ramblings from the Detention Center (Startled)
date Posted: Oct 11, 2005 9:16 AM
But the ultimate question we must all ask ourselves at one point in life: will you take the blue or red pill? WWMD*?

*what would moose do?
  MandoSniper
Mando'ade and their toys
date Posted: Oct 11, 2005 12:40 PM
This was one of the most thought provoking entries Ive read in a long time. Good to see people are still able to expand and reflect on what we as humans can percieve the universe around us. You won me as a fan to your blog!
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Oct 11, 2005 2:41 PM
will you take the blue or red pill? WWMD*?

I thought for a second that was going to be "What would Mace do?", in which case, of course, he'd take the purple pill.

You won me as a fan to your blog!

Thanks :0)

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