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 | Moose Poodoodate posted: Nov 04, 2005 10:30 AM | updated: Nov 06, 2005 11:19 AM |

 | The Dark Knights - Batman and Vader Begin |
 Batman pre-dates Darth Vader by several decades, but they've been born again in our culture with the release of these two films so closely together.
With the release of Batman Begins and Revenge of the Sith on DVD, I've now had some time to make some connections and comparisons from the comfort of my own dark lair. And when I say "dark lair", I mean a Lazy-boy in front of a bigscreen.
Both of these films explore the birth of a fractured persona. Both delve into their darkest nightmares and their greatest triumphs. But more than anything, both are an exposition on how Fear molds us. And just as Fear is a coin with two sides, so it's duality both galvanizes their resolve, and rips apart their psyche. But in the end, you couldn't have two characters further apart in their understanding of good and evil.
Bruce Wayne, son of a captain of industry, experiences deep and hurtful loss in the murder of his parents before his young eyes. He takes it upon himself to change the world that spawned such evil. His dark lust for revenge, and his fear for those he holds dear, drives him to exert extreme control over the moral wasteland that Gotham has become. Steeled in courage by Liam Neeson's teachings as Henri Ducard, he finds the iron core of his resolve.
Anakin Skywalker, son of slavery and poverty, likewise is scarred by the loss of his mother, and is haunted by the impending loss of his dearest wife. As a child, given guidance to listen to the will of the Living Force by Liam Neeson's Qui-Gon Jinn, he finds only heartache, and fear, and precious few reinforcements to this harmonious view of the universe. The duality of Fear (discussed further here) betrays him: Fear for the protection of loved ones leaves him impotent and bitter, while Fear for self leads to a quest for control. Fear is twisted into Hatred, and Hatred into Suffering.
Liam Neeson's respective characters in both films set these dynamic icons on their journies of self-discovery and destiny. Oddly born of two fathers of opposing idealisms that share a common face, (there must be little coincidence they are played by the same great actor) Anakin and Bruce Wayne diverge on their paths because they first choose to ignore the teachings given them at their genesis. Qui-Gon quietly gives Anakin counsel on patience, serentity of mind, and to trust his instincts. Conversely, Ducard warns Bruce Wayne about the weakness of compassion, to be ever vigilant, and ultimately go against his instincts.
The results of Anakin ignoring Qui-Gon, and Bruce Wayne ignoring Ducard, are both examples of how Fear is dealt with toward their respective ends. Anakin's Fear implodes upon him, leaving him locked in a moment of terror. Wayne's Fear propels him ahead, and forces him to find his way.
In either case, however, both undoubtably have allowed Fear to transform them, so that they now both are the incarnation of that dark human aspect.
The difference?
Batman, the Dark Knight of Gotham, uses Fear to protect the ones he loves without sacrificing his ideals. His use of Fear is countered by his fear of losing self. Thus his stalwart declaration, when put to the test: "I am not an executioner." Moreover, he holds close to his heart the words of his secret love: "It's not who we are underneath that matters, it's what we do that defines us."
Vader, the Dark Knight of the Sith, fully transforms Fear from the shadow of Greed into the quest for Power. His use of fear is no longer countered by his fear of losing self. In Vader's world, if Anakin existed as a separate person, Vader would have destroyed him. He no longer has fear for losing self, because it no longer exists. He starts down this path when he knowingly engages in the destruction of the good in his inner self, admitting to Padme after the Tusken massacre: "No, I'm a Jedi. I know I'm better than this." This deconstruction is seemingly shown to be long since completed by the time of his revelation to Luke: "That name no longer has any meaning to me." And it will not exist again until unlocked by none other than - Compassion.
In this way, Obi-Wan's admonition for Luke becomes more clear: "You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."
In our real lives, the lessons ring true, now more than ever. How we view Fear is at least as important as how we view ourselves, and the world.
The best advice on the matter the world has ever known, born of the courage shown in another dark time: "The only thing to Fear, is Fear itself."
DM out
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Kenobi-fan The Jundland Wastes Journal
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date Posted: Nov 04, 2005 10:50 AM
Vicki Vale: I've just got to know. Are we gonna try and love each other?
Bruce Wayne: I'd like to. But he's out there right now. And I've got to go to work.
Batman (1989)
I know I'm not talking Batman Begins (which is the best of 'em all) but I've always loved Bruce's comments in this one. Where one (Batman) fights to free others from fear, the other (Anakin) fights to free himself of it.
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RojoTrooper Star Wars Recycled Art Project
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date Posted: Nov 04, 2005 11:00 AM
"Ever dance with the Devil in the pale moonlight?"
I had the same feelings of Darth Vader and Batman.. Batman is the good Vader.. Vader is the bad Batman..
They are two sides of the same coin..
Great Blog..
THX,
CE
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Kenobi-fan The Jundland Wastes Journal
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date Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:18 PM
Since no one else is really going to add to this blog (at least it looks that way), I'd like to add some more thoughts. I mentioned Batman (1989) but now I'd like to mention Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns. Here again, we have Batman riding to the rescue, older and wiser(?), to bring balance to a society that has grown increasingly corrupt and where Superman is now an impotent force in the world. It seems to mirror the story of Anakin in the PT in many respects. Batman still mirrors Anakin in his anger and aggression to bring 'peace' while Superman mirrors both a fading Republic and an anachronistic Jedi Order - desperately believing they still serve a public good while ignoring how much power they've lost.
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:25 PM
I had the same feelings of Darth Vader and Batman.. Batman is the good Vader.. Vader is the bad Batman..
Perfect analysis in a nutshell.
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:27 PM
I mentioned Batman (1989) but now I'd like to mention Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns. Here again, we have Batman riding to the rescue, older and wiser(?), to bring balance to a society that has grown increasingly corrupt and where Superman is now an impotent force in the world.
There is a certain amount of ambiguity in these characters that leads us to question, and lead them to question themselves, about if what they so strongly believe is good might actually be evil in its own right. They ride in on white horses, but with dark hearts.
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:28 PM
I didn't know moose had Lazy-boys, or at least that they could fit in them. Do moose see in color?
Not so much. But males of every species enjoy a good recliner. :0)
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Kenobi-fan The Jundland Wastes Journal
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date Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:39 PM
Frank's book is still awesome, which I've thought of often, especially in light of ROTS, where the world is turned upside down by those we believe protect society and those who actually do.
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Darth Rex0 So be it....
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date Posted: Nov 04, 2005 1:43 PM
I remember at the beginning of Batman Begins, Bruce telling Duccard "Revenge is no use to me" or something like that. When Bruce has his "right" of revenge taken from him in front of his eyes, he learned alot (also though the speech he got from Katie Holmes). Revenge would not change anything or honor anybody. Only change could honor his parents. Change in Gotham and Duccard taught him that fear was his tool. Batman in the Star Wars universe would always be bordering on Sith, but Wayne had no desire for power at all, just justice. Its interesting that Anakin thought this to himself also. The difference is he gave into his fear and found himself with power. The power consumed him and he lusted after it until the end of ROTJ.
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Darth Rex0 So be it....
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date Posted: Nov 04, 2005 1:45 PM
By the way, if a man sits in a La-Z-Boy, wouldn't a moose sit in a La-Z-Moose?
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Nov 04, 2005 2:16 PM
Conceivably, yes, but alas, I can't get them to make one that's comfortable and has cup holders and a place for my remote...
The fact that Batman's revenge was denied him may have been one of the major events that saves him from Anakin's fate.
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Darth Rex0 So be it....
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date Posted: Nov 04, 2005 4:37 PM
My point exactly. Interesting blog by the way. I remember seeing Batman in the theater and thinking during all the training scenes that alot of this sounds very familiar. On a side note, this former comic book reader couln't have been more happy with Batman Begins. The previous movies were so far from the essence of Batman (at least to me) so I went into this movie with zero expectations. Indeed, my WIFE chose this movie on date night. When I left that theater I was pumped about Batman again. Very refreshing. Good charachter comparison. Until next time DM.
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jedi_339
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date Posted: Nov 04, 2005 5:50 PM
Very nice, very nice, I agree with aforementioned statement that
'Batman is the good vader, and vader is the bad batman'
it rings true to many of Today's situations, who would be the good John Howard???
I believe that thee mention of being afraid of fear itslf was also mentioned in one of the Harry Potter books, maybe 'Prisoner of Azkaban' As I was just reading in one of Karen Traviss' blogs, It is all about life experiences that shapes the person
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jedi_339
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date Posted: Nov 04, 2005 5:53 PM
Batman and Vader had different experiences but they turned out remarkedly similar with one major difference, one supported the sith and the other would have supported the jedi, Although he doesn't, (would have),
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Xilent_shadow900
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date Posted: Nov 05, 2005 4:23 AM
Good comparison!
Personally, I always compared BAtman to Boba Fett. niether have super-powers, they both use high-tech gadgets, and they carry out their own form of justice.
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msritajean
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date Posted: Nov 05, 2005 6:31 AM
I didn't watch Batman Begins in the theatres, but my 12 year old son did. His only comment with shrugged shoulders was, "I didn't get it." Now, no one cap on my son here, but it's only until we bought the dvd that I realized what he clearly missed. For one, the movie was VERY good and I'm sorry to have missed it. More importantly, the whole idea of using fear, controlling fear, facing fear, etc. is so obvious in both the ROTS and Batman Begins that I don't think my son 'cleared his mind' enough to get it. My belief is also that if Bruce Wayne had executed the thief, he would have altered the course of his life completely. In closing, I didn't miss the Batman toy wave completely and have several good figures to play with.
Yeah!
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Jedi_Master_Gizko_Mani
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date Posted: Nov 05, 2005 8:23 AM
Personally, I always compared BAtman to Boba Fett. niether have super-powers, they both use high-tech gadgets, and they carry out their own form of justice.
i agree with this statement although i probably wouldn't have thought of it myself. nice post DM.
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DarthVicomte Vicomte's Blog Extravaganza (Now Defunct)
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date Posted: Nov 05, 2005 3:41 PM
Me too, Gizko. I always liked Batman because he had no superpowers, he was a just a normal guy. (Okay, he is really really rich, but hey, he is a superhero, gotta get that super from somehwere.)
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Tu®gon Gondolin
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date Posted: Nov 06, 2005 5:39 AM
The best advice the world has ever known, born of the courage shown in another dark time: "The only thing to Fear, is Fear itself."
I can't place that quote, but it feels awfully like yet another world facing dark times, Harry Potter, in the third book when Harry sees a boggart, a shape-shifter taking on the shape which most frightens the victim, and Harry sees a dementor, which again makes you re-visit your worst nightmares and memories. Remus Lupin then says: "That suggests what you fear most of all is fear itself, very wise, Harry!"
Strange how often fear is a factor in things. Interesting article... 
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nathanielobi1
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date Posted: Nov 06, 2005 2:07 PM
bravo (what else could I say? Few other words do writing of that caliber any justice)
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nathanielobi1
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date Posted: Nov 06, 2005 2:08 PM
Oh and by the way, Tu®gon, that's FDR
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Nov 07, 2005 9:03 AM
Thanks all for the comments and additions. I think as a whole we are all fascinated by the idea of an anti-hero. It's somehow easier to relate to someone like Bruce Wayne or even Anakin than to someone squeaky clean like Superman. I think just as few evil people believe they're truly evil, few heroes see themselves as selfless, good people. The truth of good and evil is nearly always in the averages, and it's in that grey area in which Batman lives always in the center and Vader forever dies on the edge.
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Tu®gon Gondolin
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date Posted: Nov 12, 2005 4:16 PM
How about a blog entry on your birthday. How did your day go? 
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Nov 12, 2005 9:00 PM
It went :0) The end.
what can I say - I've grown to loathe birthdays.
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Triddy Stardust The Best Blog In The Universe
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date Posted: Nov 13, 2005 1:11 PM
Batman would beat Vader in a fight. And superman. And anyone else, come to think of it. Batman rules.
I seem to spend my entire life saying " Batman would totally beat *suchandsuch*."
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Dark|ighter
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date Posted: Nov 14, 2005 10:37 AM
Gah. I typed out a really long comment, then couldn't fit it in the limit. So I posted it on my blog instead. Let me know what you think. :o)
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