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Moose Poodoo
date posted: Jan 29, 2006 7:25 AM  |  updated: Jan 30, 2006 5:55 PM
Hiding in Plain Sight
In line with my first entry on using our imagination to come up with solutions to the saga's little curiosities, titled "Use your Imagination, Luke", here's another instance in which I've managed to answer my own question with a little personal reasoning. It's not perfect, but it works for me.

A lot of people ask a very simple, and a very good question:

"If you're going to hide the son of Skywalker, why hide him on Tatooine, with the last name Skywalker? Why not hide him on Corellia with the last name 'Liebowitz' or something?

And while we're at it, if you're going to hide the daughter of Skywalker, why not send her to a backwater world with no royal status?

You call this hiding? I call that advertisement!"


Like I say, a pretty good question. And forgive my ignorance if an answer has ever been offered - I've just never seen one (although I'm sure one or two exist). So I came up with my own, for personal consumption, if you will.

The answer, to me, is easy -they know the Empire is going to find them anyway. The Empire finds everybody. But what or who are they going to find?

Let's first set up the scenario. In the waning days of the Clone Wars, as Order 66 was being carried out, Master Yoda and Obi-Wan have a lot to worry about as two of the very few remaining Jedi. On top of their worries are two new arrivals to the Galaxy, little Luke and Leia Skywalker, infant heirs to a dark Force legacy.

Master Yoda would have put a great deal of thought into this. He knew that Anakin must not know of his offspring, because if he knew, the Emperor knew, and they would both be found, twisted and made to serve the Empire's needs, or worse yet, destroyed to better suit them. Keeping them alive likewise gave Obi-Wan and Yoda a distant New Hope that Vader and Sidious could be defeated, because surely few others in the Galaxy would have the natural Force abilities these two children would have.

One thing was in their favor - Anakin had no idea of their actual names, and he presumably didn't know he had twins. But how to hide them? Let's look at the problems and goals of hiding the Skywalker twins...

1 - Their identity has to be concealed.

Luke and Leia have to blend into the background of the Galaxy as if they had always been a part of its fabric. No direct mention of Anakin or Padme could be connected with them. In one way or another, their lives would have to be for the most part aloof and innocuous, within reason.

2 - They have to be separated.

Having them together makes them more conspicuous as siblings and twins, but more importantly, it makes them an easy target to capture in one swing of Imperial might. Separating them to different home worlds increases both of their chances, and builds redundancy failsafes into Yoda's and Obi-Wan's plans. As cold and calculating as it sounds, it was still just prudent - if the Empire found one, the other might survive untouched.

3 - They have to be guarded.

Even with these failsafes in place, the value of these children was immense. And yet how to place a guard over them without indicating their extreme importance to the fate of the Galaxy? They would have to be watched, discretely, and a contingency plan be put into effect should they ever come close to danger.

All of these conditions, and more, had to be answered in flight away from Imperial death squads. Now, how does this answer the question, then, of leaving Luke on Tatooine with the last name Skywalker?

Did that fall in the Senate Chamber scramble Yoda's melon or what? Derr?

Not so fast - let's look at one possible scenario. In the years of the Clone Wars, part of Palpatine's growing powers and sweeping security acts could conceivably be to require every citzen of the Empire to be fully documented with complete records on their identity. This would be done presumably in an effort to prevent the movement of insurgent elements within the Core worlds, and to hamper the efforts of spies and saboteurs. Part of the solution: DNA testing.

The idea of DNA testing provides a few sources of information for the Emperor, namely "Who's in my Empire" and "Who's not who they say they are?" and and "Who has excellent DNA?" Why the last one? Because, regardless of if this was ever done, it is established that the Emperor knew diversification of the cloned army would be pragmatic. Having a single genetic pool, which could likewise be susceptable to the same hazards of disease or other limitations, could prove to be a chink in his Imperial armor. Solidarity had served its ultimate purpose in Order 66. So perhaps as one of his first Emergency Acts, he would have made it mandatory that all citizens submit a DNA record as well as all vital statistics verified at the municipal level and passed up to Republic (and later Imperial) command.

With one caveat - DNA testing would be legally required by the common populace, but voluntary by dignitaries, officials, Moffs, world leaders, royal houses, and, etc. Why the difference? Because in carrying out this enterprise Palpatine would not be so careless as to require every single citizen to have a fully documented record. In a system that knows everything, he needed his most valuable resources in this fiefdom to be relatively free of governmental scrutiny. He would have to protect his Left Hand from his Right, lest the Xixor's of his Empire be laid bare in some records warehouse.

Moreover, as such an endeavor would already be a massive undertaking, there would simply be no reason to document the identity of the Galaxy's most famous people, especially people who's lineage would often be extremely well-documented to begin with. Doing so could be compared to the Emperor of Earth asking the British Royal family to submit DNA records and be issued ID cards. This just wouldn't fit into his plans for galactic efficiency, nor his idea of a society of privileged upper crust that served his needs.

No, his Galactic Census would be confined to the little people, because that's where you hide saboteurs to begin with.

Going back to Yoda's dillemma then: What to do with each child? The Force's providence answers one question immediately, by Bail Organa, Viceroy of Alderaan, and head of it's Royal Family. He tells Yoda that he will take the baby girl, Leia, to be their adopted child. This immediately places Leia away from Padme and Anakin into a world where she could not possibly be mistaken for anyone else's child. As a member of the House of Alderaan, she would be safe from DNA testing, and from Imperial prying eyes. No one would suspect the child of Alderaan's Ruling House had come from a different family. Leia would be safest from Imperial eyes hiding in plain sight, as a Princess of Alderaan, and would likewise be protected by her own security from early on. All three conditions satisfied: concealment, separation, and guarded.

One down, one to go. What to do with Luke? Yoda and Obi-Wan would find themselves out of Royal Family members to hide children with, and Luke could not accompany Leia.

And herein lies what I believe to be a possible explanation for Yoda's actions with Luke. He would know that Luke would eventually be subject to DNA documentation. That would place him as a person of curiosity for the Emperor. For all their efforts to hide Luke, Obi-Wan and Yoda would be powerless to prevent at least his family affiliation from coming to light.

However... all they would know is that he is a Skywalker. Bear in mind again that neither Anakin nor the Emperor knew the children's names, so that would not have been an issue. Moreover, aside from not knowing that Padme even gave birth, and aside from not knowing that they were twins, he would likewise not know if he had a boy or a girl. Therefore, the best thing for Yoda and Obi-Wan to do, especially with Imperial Big Brother watching everyone's identity, would be to say "Here - here you go. A Skywalker on Tatooine. So what?"

In that way, Luke could live with his family on his homeworld, and could successfully undego the eventual identification process without raising too many Imperial eyebrows. Luke could be a distant cousin, the son of a navigator on a spice freighter. He certainly would not be a sibling; Anakin and Palpatine knew he had no brothers and sisters. It didn't matter if he was an uncle or some other relation above Anakin; there were no Force sensitives in Anakin's family before him (Anakin was a Force adept thanks to the process of Force conception, not lineage). It would likewise be unlikely due to Luke's young age. And most importantly, as far as Anakin knows, there is no Luke, son of Anakin. Yoda and Obi-Wan would be able to hide Luke in plain view, even have his identity documented so as not to raise suspicions, and he would be little more than a distant relative of Shmi, at best, even if they made the connection to her or Anakin.

All the conditions would be met - concealment, separation...and with Obi-Wan's sacrifice of exile, a watchful eye to guard him from just beyond the Jundland Wastes. The children of Skywalker could be hidden away to later fulfill their destiny in the redemption of Anakin and the destruction of the Empire.

Like I say, this is just my own personal explanation as to why these children, which were so important to the fate of everything they knew, would be so apparently visible. Sometimes the situation forces upon you hard decisions. Sometimes its best to let something be found, but camoflage it's true nature.

For Obi-Wan and Yoda, the best thing for the Skywalker twins would be to hide them in plain sight, until it would be time to put stock in A New Hope.

It's not perfect, but it works for me.

DM out

  Archangelysses
What to do with a drunken Dark Lord?
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 7:49 AM
very nice blog Moose.

I think you have put a lot of thought into this. I can wholeheartedly agree with Leia as she is then completely hidden in plain sight. And therefore above suspicion with the royal house of Alderaan.

Add to this, both Sidious and Vader believed Padme to have died before giving birth as evidenced by the footage of her funeral in the movie and the novelisation. This way, neither Palps nor Anakin even thought of the children believing them dead as well.
  Archangelysses
What to do with a drunken Dark Lord?
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 7:52 AM
In this way, Luke was also safe. Even though he still had his Father's Name, there was no point that it was going to be looked for. Either from the imperials or from any one else.

If you read the James Luceno Novel: Dark Lord, the Rise of Darth Vader. It clearly states that Anakin Skywalker was believed to have been killed during the Jedi Rebellion in the Temple. Therefore the populace of the galaxy would be totally unaware of Luke. Add to this the burial of a still seemingly pregnant Padme and even those who knew of the childrens parentage are fooled.
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 7:54 AM
This way, neither Palps nor Anakin even thought of the children believing them dead as well.

You're right, a lot rides on that. Once this idea is bought into, it's next to impossible for them to consider anything else. So even if a relative of Anakin were to crop up with the same last name, it would not be immediately assumed that this was his son, because as far as he knows, he has no son. Even knowing the child died, he didn't even know the gender (much less that there was one of each).
  Archangelysses
What to do with a drunken Dark Lord?
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 7:55 AM
Finally, from the end of 'Dark Lord'. It shows that Obi Wan found out that Vader still lived and in a panic was about to run from Tatooine with Luke. However, Qui Gon then spoke to him as he had Yoda and assured him that Vader would never willingly set foot on Tatooine ever again. As it was the childhood home of Anakin Skywalker and the place he met his wife.

As Qui Gon put it, Vader would risk re-awakening Anakin Skywalker within himself if he returned there.
  Archangelysses
What to do with a drunken Dark Lord?
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 7:59 AM
Lastly, as stated in ep iv. "If there is a bright centre of the universe, you are on the planet furthest from".

Wondering how Vader/Anakin felt hearing the name Luke Skywalker for the first time.
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 8:01 AM
If you read the James Luceno Novel: Dark Lord, the Rise of Darth Vader. It clearly states that Anakin Skywalker was believed to have been killed during the Jedi Rebellion in the Temple. Therefore the populace of the galaxy would be totally unaware of Luke.

Everyone is raving about this book, I've got to go get it. I haven't read it yet. But that does make it work all the better.

The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 8:01 AM
I have trouble believing the name Skywalker would have died away completely from the public eye, but for a place that only cares about moisture vaporators and staying out of the way of the Hutts, I doubt the name means much to them some 30 years after some kid that won the Boonta Eve Classic left. I agree, the general populace would not care his last name was Skywalker. The only ones that might care would be Anakin and Palpatine.
  Jedimaster F
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 8:04 AM
The reason the hid luke on tatooine was because they knew vader never would go back there, it would bring back bad memories, in the book Darth Vader Dark lord rising, it says that Vader promised himself he would never return to Naboo or Tatooinne which he never returns to tatooine. i dont know why they let him keep skywalker, i heard that it was a common name like Antilles. Leia would not be suspected because vader believed that she was Bails daughter. thats my crazy theory!
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 8:04 AM
As Qui Gon put it, Vader would risk re-awakening Anakin Skywalker within himself if he returned there.

True again - he had already hinted at his disdain for the world prior to losing Padme with the infamous "I hate sand" comment. It was a world full of woe for him, and nothing constructive could come of him going there. He lost his mother, twice there. He met Padme there, and his own origins as a slave and as Anakin were there. It would be too risky for Vader to visit Tatooine without reviving some part of Anakin.
  Nemoforce
20,000 Parsecs Across the Galaxy
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 8:13 AM
I'll throw a wrench into this one. Since most of the span between ROTS and ANH has not yet been officially covered, how do we know the Vader didn't become aware of Luke being on Tatooine ? Afterall, he was looking for Luke like a madman by the beginning of ESB, so he took to the idea that his son was alive pretty readily. Maybe he already knew that.

I mean here's a guy who often had Force visions about his family. Why not Luke ? Vader wouldn't want Palps getting ahold of Luke, and so left him in hiding. All theory, I realize.
  Yego2778
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 8:21 AM
Good blog, but I agree only in some parts of what you said. For Leia, you are right. As for Luke, I think somehow it's the Force that blinded him from the darkside users. As for Yoda's theory put in Zahn's "Heir to the Empire" novel, Yoda couldn't be found because he was hiding near a DarkSide source (the cave on Dagobah) so he became invisible in the Force.
On Tatooine, in the Lars homestead and the near canyon, Anakin first touched the Darkside. Perhaps it made a kind of void in the Force in that particular region, just like the cave on Dagobah and Luke became "invisible".
That's MY theory anyway :)
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 8:32 AM
I'll throw a wrench into this one. Since most of the span between ROTS and ANH has not yet been officially covered, how do we know the Vader didn't become aware of Luke being on Tatooine ? Afterall, he was looking for Luke like a madman by the beginning of ESB, so he took to the idea that his son was alive pretty readily.

I think the general concensus on this is that he knew of Luke before ESB (thus the crawl mentioning this at the beginning of ESB: "obsessed with finding Skywalker"..). I personally believe that Vader knew of him for quite some time prior to the Emperor bringing it up in ESB. For one, he knew of Kenobi's involvement. (see here).
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 8:32 AM
The most popular belief is that Luke's name became known after he destroyed the Death Star. If Vader had known of him, he would have done something before Luke left Tatooine. I think its clear that when Vader finally made the connection, his son had already disappeared off-world, hidden with the Rebellion...and even with that knowledge, Vader was not going to reveal his existence to the Emperor right away. Luke was his ace in the hole...
janlomona
Smugglers Rants
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 9:11 AM
I've blogged a few times about this subject, and some of the points you raise within.
The name - Perhaps (although unlikely) the name Skywalker was as common as Smith, Singh or Jones, etc
Hiding on Tatooine - As you say, hiding in plain sight. Plus, Anakin would understandably have personal problems with returning to Tatooine.
They children are dead anyway - If you go to the blog listing and click on the previous one, Forward Thinking, you'll see my thoughts on that (DM, we must have tuned into the same wavelength today!)
janlomona
Smugglers Rants
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 9:14 AM
DNA - I brought this up in a blog from last year, Happy Birthday to You, asking why Luke and Leia's birthday wasn't ever questioned (they are twins after all) and why their DNA was never checked.
I very much agree with your assessments, it all fits conveniently enough. After all, for twenty plus years we thought Owen and Ben were brothers, and Luke was merely adopted by the Kenobi clan. And as you say, there is no heritage in the bloodline of the Skywalkers beyond Anakin (as someone blogging here today neatly said, the living embodiment of the Force)
  DarthVicomte
Vicomte's Blog Extravaganza (Now Defunct)
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 9:27 AM
Makes sense to me.

Hiding Leia was straightforward enough, while Luke's was a little more tricky, and possibly, risky. I doubt the Imps spent much time worrying over the Outer Rim, and I'm sure they cared even less about second-generation moisture farmers. Seeing as no children were even believed to exist, it wouldn't be very hard to hide them, after all, you're not likely to find something you're not even looking for in the first place.

  DarthVicomte
Vicomte's Blog Extravaganza (Now Defunct)
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 9:33 AM
Possibly the greatest failsafe of all was Luke himself. If, by some obscenely off chance that Big Brother found out about Luke and who he was, then Leia would be completely safe.

After finding the child of Skywalker, no one would assume that twins were even a possibility. Two, not one, already dead offspring would be brought back from death? After finding Luke, the thought of another Skywalker child would be so completely unimagineable, that Leia would be guaranteed safety. One Skywalker, hidden on an Outer Rim Hicktown, with a Jedi protector? There's another? Riiiiiiiiight...........
First_Reality
Timeflow - Reading the EU In Order
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 9:52 AM
If I remember correctly, either in "Dark Lord" or perhaps even in the new Essential Chronology, it states that Owen and Beru told friends and neighbors that they adopted Luke and gave him the Skywalker last name in honor of Shmi, Owen's beloved stepmother. That makes perfect sense as to how the Skywalker name never amounted to much chaos on Tatooine.
First_Reality
Timeflow - Reading the EU In Order
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 9:52 AM
As for Imperial Big Brother, I think we're all forgetting that Tatooine is a small, out-of-the-way planet where beings go to disappear. The only things notable about it are that it's the center of Jabba's criminal empire, and that both Anakin and Luke Skywalker were raised there. I doubt anyone tried too hard to take an accurate census of a bunch of Moisture farmers and smugglers who aren't there half the time.
  Vader of Clubs
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 10:00 AM
That's possibly the biggest point - surely Owen and Beru were the ones to give Luke the name Skywalker, not Ben? He doesn't say a word to them when he hands over the boy . . . then again, he must have told them to call him Luke (unless at some point in Clones Padme and Beru had a talk about what they'd call their children?). So your assumption is as right as it's gonna get for now, I guess.
  jedimasterninks
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 10:36 AM
I think that Tatooine might have also been a good choice because after what happend to his mother there, Vader did not want to go back.
  gahmah80
Gahmah's Lair of Trauma (Blog Closed Due to Inability to Renew Hyperspace Account)
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 11:09 AM
Leia was almost (not 100%) safe because she carried the name of Organa, and not Skywalker, but Luke still carried Skywalker. If they were trying to keep the Imps unaware of the children by faking Padmé's pregnancy during her funeral, they could have said that Luke was a different Skywalker.

Oh, and a reason for more than one clone template:
In BF2, on Rise of the Empire, there was a clone rebellion on Kamino, which failed, and it said there were other templates, because an army of completely identical soldiers was too susceptible to corruption, as was the case with the Anti-Imp troopers.
  gahmah80
Gahmah's Lair of Trauma (Blog Closed Due to Inability to Renew Hyperspace Account)
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 11:23 AM
As for why Anakin didn't have visions about Luke's suffering, he might only be having visions about the people he is so focused on, and his kid(s) might not have been among them. THAT does not sound like a very good father.

jedimasterninks
Also if he went back to Tatooine, I think he might have gone on a MQfV to kill every Tusken Raider on the planet, which would have either resulted in him dying in the Dune Sea or the extinction of the Tusken Raiders.
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 11:42 AM
If I remember correctly, either in "Dark Lord" or perhaps even in the new Essential Chronology, it states that Owen and Beru told friends and neighbors that they adopted Luke and gave him the Skywalker last name in honor of Shmi, Owen's beloved stepmother.

If true, that would seem to be completely contradictory to Owen's desire to disassociate Luke from his father. I would think he'd have nothing to do with choosing that name - that they were talked into it by Obi-Wan...
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 2:44 PM
Thanks again for all of the comments everyone. Very good points all the way around, and new information is always helpful, especially the stuff from the books.

I think overall, there are many answers as to why it was safe for them to be hidden in the fashion they were, as indicated in the replies in this entry.
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 2:45 PM
As for Imperial Big Brother, I think we're all forgetting that Tatooine is a small, out-of-the-way planet where beings go to disappear.

That is definitely a layer of security for Luke. Although the connection of the Skywalker name to Tatooine has begged the question for years as to the wisdom of hiding him there. But I agree, it was one of the safest things to do, in the long run.

It should be noted that even though Vader had a personal aversion to Tatooine, he still eventually returned - at least to its orbit, and sent his troops after the missing droids. So whereas that in itself bought Obi-Wan and Yoda time, it eventually failed them.
  Edhelwen Emileia
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 10:01 PM
No one would suspect the child of Alderaan's Ruling House had come from a different family.

No? Maybe I'm remember things wrong (I've read at least 100 SW books over time [figured that out recently, thanks to jkthunder's list of books], which tend to get blurred after a while), but it was always my understanding that Leia knew she'd been adopted. If she knew, that seems to me like it was openly communicated, at least in the royal family. Also, Leia is very fair-skinned, while Bail and his wife are shown to have much darker complexions. Wouldn't that right there be a very clear visual clue that she was not their daughter by birth? Did they have a made-up background for her that would give no reason for being questioned?
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 10:21 PM
oo- You're right, she does indicate in ROTJ (and maybe elsewhere) that she knew she was adopted - good point. Although I am not certain that translates into everyone knowing she was adopted. All the same, her status as a member of a royal house would for the most part place her above scrutiny. In fact, I believe Leia used this level of influence to her advantage, as surely her parents did as well.
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Jan 29, 2006 10:22 PM
Wouldn't that right there be a very clear visual clue that she was not their daughter by birth? Did they have a made-up background for her that would give no reason for being questioned?

It didn't seem obvious to other various characters that her heritage as a princess was, for instance, any less legitimate. No one else seems (at least) to latch on to the idea she's adopted.

In fact, you would think her parents would encourage not to divulge this information to anyone she didn't know and trust.
  Vader of Clubs
date Posted: Jan 30, 2006 2:21 AM
Luke seems to know she's adopted - he only mentions her [b["real" mother after he has come to see that she's his sister, but he knows it enough to think in the first place - Leia's my sister!

Then again, being adopted is no reason for Leia to be suspected as the daughter of Anakin, especially as no child is believed to exist. And she'd still be a legitimate member of the royal family, legally. So it stands to reason that even though it's known she's adpoted it won't bring her into suspicion.
  Vader of Clubs
date Posted: Jan 30, 2006 2:26 AM
On the other hand, if she hadn't known she was adopted, Luke's fairy tale, no matter how right it may feel that he is her brother and Darth Vader - a man who has not only tried to torture her but also to kill her on several occasions - was her father, she would, quite naturally, reject it. Bail may or may not have expected Leia to end her father's legacy and the reign of the Empire - he certainly introduced her to the Rebellion, and then told her where to find Obi-Wan Kenobi (who she also knew as Ben Kenobi), so it is almost certain he told her, if no-one else in the galaxy - that she was adopted, to ease the transition once she knew the truth.
  safetyjedigirl
safetyjedigirls sith teachings!
date Posted: Jan 30, 2006 4:08 PM
thats an awesome blog and i agree on luke but do you really think that leia is in plain view because she would be if she had the last name skywalker but she doesn't so why would vader suspect her and on the transport woulden't vader ask something like hey are you my daughter or something instead of treating her like bails kid?
  Galactic_Force_Fighter701
date Posted: Jan 30, 2006 4:17 PM
We can speculate and come up with many scenarios as much as we choose. BUt it was more likely the will of the force and George Lucas that thier identities were securely kept. Vader was under the assumption that his "child" died with Padme. Thus, he had no interest in looking for someone he thought was dead being manipulated byt the Dark Lord of the Sith. If he didn't know he was having twins, why is it inconceivable to think it isn't improbable that he'd not know the location of his children?
  Stormtrooper_TK41
date Posted: Jan 30, 2006 4:55 PM
Yah nice blog Moose you actually put hought and review your backgriounds before making statements like some other people :D and I agree with your statements, why didnt they change Luke's last name? If Vader ever stumbled across a certain teenager names "Skywalker" he would certainly be suspicious.
  darth vinsidious
date Posted: Jan 30, 2006 5:35 PM
Luke is a farm boy in the middle of nowhere on a planet far on the outer edge of the galaxy. He coudn't be more insignificant despite his last name. I could see the point If he adopted the name Lars, but even that name would mean something to Vader. Plus if you change Luke's name than you lose the connection with Anakin. The kids were split up to be kept safe but I believe that Obi Wan and Yoda had always planned to train Luke hen the time was right. "I'm Luke Liebovitz I'me here to rescue you" doesn't have the same ring.
jkthunder
Seven Pieces
date Posted: Jan 30, 2006 5:43 PM
hmmm - one of the commentaries says that owen gave luke the name skywalker in honor of his step-mom shmi whom he loved very much. with that in mind (owen and beru) probably didnt know any better, since they werent priivy to the big secret, and surely obiwan wouldnt have said anything. the novel Dark Lord gives some insights as to why DV (and the emperor) would never track back to tatooine too.
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Jan 30, 2006 5:44 PM
"I'm Luke Liebovitz I'me here to rescue you" doesn't have the same ring.

LOL :0) "Aren't you a little bobkelekh for a shmendrek?"

Sorry - amateur Yiddish user at work...
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Jan 30, 2006 5:48 PM
hmmm - one of the commentaries says that owen gave luke the name skywalker in honor of his step-mom shmi whom he loved very much. with that in mind (owen and beru) probably didnt know any better, since they werent priivy to the big secret, and surely obiwan wouldnt have said anything. the novel Dark Lord gives some insights as to why DV (and the emperor) would never track back to tatooine too.

Well that expains possibly how he came by the name, and explains after the fact why he wasn't found for so long. But it doesn't necessarily explain in full why Obi-Wan and Yoda would apparently tempt fate by placing him on Anakin's home planet with Anakin's last name.
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Jan 30, 2006 5:50 PM
What I'm to answer is possible reasons behind their apparent cavalier attitude about it - to provide some method to the madness, if you will. There should (and could) be some compelling reason to want to hide in plain view as they did, not "well, he'll never be found here anyway, so why worry?" This is the Hope of the Galaxy, ya know?

And though I don't dispute that may be what the book said, I dispute that Owen was never aware. Judging from his reaction at the name "Obi-Wan" in ANH, plus his fears that Luke may have "too much of his father in him", he knew quite a lot.
jkthunder
Seven Pieces
date Posted: Jan 30, 2006 5:55 PM
interesting DNA theory DM (did they actually do this in the EU?). im not sure that the empire's capabilities stretched that far after the initial claiming of the galactice empire. they seemed to be more concerned with gathering what resources they could to build the death star and dominate in other ways. i heard that the story leaned toward a waning investment in clones, and an increase in recruits. also, tatooine was one of those outer rim type places that remained relatively untouched by the empire even at its peak.
jkthunder
Seven Pieces
date Posted: Jan 30, 2006 6:02 PM
my own take on owen is that he was probably a bit disgruntled at anakin and how he took off from the tatooine life for jedi adventures, and possibly somer resentment about shmi dying. obiwan was not only one of the jedi who took anakin away, and he was in the same "bigger than this" league as anakin - but all those years old ben lurked in the shadows keeping an eye on luke growing up... owen knew obiwan was watching, yet tried to live his life in the meantime. the last of the jedi books give some good insights to owen and ben's scenario.
  MasterVestin5
date Posted: Jan 30, 2006 6:03 PM
This is all explained by Qui-Gon Jinn to Obie-Wan in the novel: Rise Of Darth Vader. Qui-Gon tells Obi that Anakin will never set foot on Tattoine or Naboo, or even any other planets that bring pain to his memory. I also like your other theories too. And Tatooine isnt in the Republic nor was it transfered over to the Galactic Empire, so DNA testing didnt ever happen for the other backwater planets.
jkthunder
Seven Pieces
date Posted: Jan 30, 2006 6:06 PM
sorry to take so much space - what i was going to mention in the first place... the empire (if the DNA testing were not a factor here) would not have been looking for even one child, never mind two. i might be stating the obvious here, but i think thats one of the main ideas put forth by the movie. padme was made to look pregs at the funeral for that reason. the dialogue with yoda stating this was edited not because this isnt true but because other parts conflicted with the scene order, and they REALLY had to trim back for time.
jkthunder
Seven Pieces
date Posted: Jan 30, 2006 6:24 PM
ANYHEW - with or without the DM DNA conspiracy theory, i agree that the best solution was to hide them in plain sight like DM describes. after all, in a "galactic empire" there is really no place to hide without it looking somewhat incriminating. it was somewhat fateful that each twin went where they did. but in leia's case it was most important to not seem like they were hiding anything. wonder what story was given about her adoption, or if the class society on alderaan didnt question such things (think one of the books says that is so).

LOL - looks like a lot of people got their answers from DL:TRODV;)
  MatadorBID
date Posted: Jan 30, 2006 6:37 PM
Too long to read all of the comments, but two things nag me.

1) Assuming the Empire's DNA labs are as advances as Earth's, you can determine familial relationship to be as close as immediate members such as parents, siblings, and offspring.

BUT

2) If nothing has changed from TPM, Tatooine is not under Empire control, but Hutt control, thus most likely keeping Luke from undergoing DNA testing for quite awhile.
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Jan 30, 2006 7:14 PM
2) If nothing has changed from TPM, Tatooine is not under Empire control, but Hutt control, thus most likely keeping Luke from undergoing DNA testing for quite awhile.

But events in ANH indicate that Tatooine is within the reach of the long arm of the Empire. In fact, there are specially outfitted stormtroopers ("sandtroopers") on indiginous mounts, so it would seem they've been they're before. Plus everyone defers to their authority in town. They even set up roadblocks. So the Empire definitely has an effect, if not a frequent presence.
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Jan 30, 2006 7:19 PM
interesting DNA theory DM (did they actually do this in the EU?).

Nah- just my little theory to help fill in some possible blanks, although there weren't many to fill in, I'll agree. But, the question does seem to hang around.

sorry to take so much space -

No problem, I've been known to do the same on other blogs :0)
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Jan 30, 2006 7:26 PM
1) Assuming the Empire's DNA labs are as advances as Earth's, you can determine familial relationship to be as close as immediate members such as parents, siblings, and offspring.

True, although you have to be looking for the paternal relationship to begin with. Now, if Luke were, say, Luke Liebowitz on Corellia, but DNA showed him to be a Skywalker from Tatooine families, that might raise some questions. But if Luke is a Skywalker relation from the Skywalker's home planet, then he would simply blend in with other Skywalkers.