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Moose Poodoo
date posted: Apr 12, 2006 2:33 PM  |  updated: Apr 12, 2006 8:40 PM
Weapons of Mass Deception
We've heard the phrase thrown around a lot. It's nothing to scoff at. In itself, its ominous, and can't be ignored:

"It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when.."

A very powerful statement. When you think of world events, of terror and mayhem, it reaches right into your gut. It's a concern, and it preys on our minds.

What happens when someone turns those "If's" into "When's"? If "When" became tomorrow, or today. What would that make you do?

Problem:
You're a Sith Master, but no one knows it, save your apprentice of the day. Revealing this is not only not your style, but its also never done without there being some advantage. No sniper assails his target without first concealing his or her position.

You can't brandish your lightsaber. You can't telekinetically choke your enemies. You can't electrocute them with your dark powers, either. That would be...conspicuous.

Another Problem:
Not only are you a Sith Master, but you're a public figure on the rise. Your every move is scrutinized, and the more powerful you become, the more visible you become.

In order to continue to rise amongst the sheep of society, you must be sheepish and appear ...concerned..and...conscientious ...all those things *cough* Jedi-like things that make you wretch in the privacy of your roiling black thoughts.

Yet Another Problem:
Sith crave power. The very nature of Sithdom is the procurement of power - not just any power, Unlimited Power. But democracy is made to limit power. You can only rise so far to the pinnacle in such a framework. But to be so brazen as to grab power is to encounter the first two problems. Power has to be given to you. Power has to be lured to you.

Solution:
You have to find a weapon, one that every Sith before you knew to wield. An invisible, powerful weapon, but not the Force. The Force is not yet your ally in a world that thinks your kind is extinct.

Your weapon, your protection, your offense and defense is therefore: Information.

The mastery of information is a subtle art. You can use it as blunt force trauma, sure. You can blackmail, extort, malign, libel, disparage, but doing so means revealing your intent to harm. No, it takes a real pro to work information - to shape it, to throw echoes of information that appear to have no source. It takes a Master to work information from all ends to the middle. If you've managed to confuse people with information, you're doing ok, but it's amateurish. Mere confusion can be corrected. However...

~ If you can create your own covert information machine, effectively becoming your own secret source;

~ Effectively attribute this information away from yourself;

~ Produce information that is so attractive to those that trade information (even your enemies) that they can't ignore it, and willingly distribute it for you without questioning the source;

~ Convince people to have exactly the reaction you desire;

~ All the while you look like a hero for how you deal with the information you create...

If you can do all of this, you're big league. You're playing and winning for keeps. You're a Master of Information.

Palpatine, in less than 15 years, goes from mild-mannered senator from an unimportant world to Master of All He Surveys. And in that time, only once does he use the Force in the open. Only once does he draw a weapon. His weapon, first and foremost, is Information...

The Phantom Menace...

Political Gain:
Uses the conflict on Naboo (a blockade that he secretly bankrolls and directs) to remove the current Chancellor and bolster his support, via sympathy for the cause, for himself to become Chancellor. A practice run for the Clone Wars.

Military Gain:
Uses inside knowledge of Naboo's defensive capabilities and leadership to exploit weaknesses.

Personal Gain:
Is able to successfully deploy his apprentice, Darth Maul, to gather intel for him. The loss of Maul is inconsequential. The fact that he proves the methodology can work is immensely valuable. As an added bonus, he finds young Skywalker. How accidental this was, if at all, we still don't know.


The Lie: That because of the corruption in the Republic Senate, which reaches all the way to the top with Valorum, Naboo is threatened by external, greedy forces.

The Result: He replaces Valorum by way of a strong sympathy vote, and a platform of ending corruption.

The Advantage: His first field trial of this methodology, despite the acceptable defeat of the Trade Federation and the loss of Maul, is a success. The Trade Federation, along with other systems, now have a thorn in their side, and powerful friends with which to rally. On the other side, the Senate embraces the new "hard line" on corruption, and sets about dragging the Trade Fed through the courts. The lines are being drawn for a political schism, fueled by economic pressures and greed, by Palpatine himself.


Attack of the Clones...

Political Gain:
Uses the information of the new Separatist threat (a cause he secretly bankrolls and directs) to provide impetus to give his office, not the ineffective Senate, new importance to the Republic. The delivery of the GAR and the establishment of the Jedi Command layer likewise provides a framework in which to place the Jedi in a compromising position, not only ethically, but in direct proximity of the only force that can eradicate them. This culminates in sweeping Emergency Powers for the office of the Supreme Chancellor.

Military Gain:
Uses the perceived threat of a full-scale war to have the GAR created, and placed under his ultimate and direct control. Meanwhile, his alter-ego directly controls the movement of enemy droid troops under Separatist command. The chessboard is set, and he will control how many pieces are used, and how many are sacrificed - Palpatine is the only one playing.

Personal Gain:
Uses his relationship with Anakin to begin his seduction to the Dark Side. He meanwhile uses the considerable wealth and power of the disillusioned Count Dooku to forward his agenda while still keeping negative attention away from his now very visible public persona. He becomes amazingly popular, while Dooku becomes an enemy of the State.

The Lie: That there is an external threat to the Republic that the Jedi can not thwart.

The Result: He becomes the savior of the Republic, not the Jedi.

The Advantage: Those that can stop him are now maneuvered into a political mousetrap, while his own powers are consolidated.


Revenge of the Sith...

Political Gain:
Uses the information that the Jedi ordered the Cloned Army, and that the Jedi are seeking his ouster, as political capital to implicate the Jedi in return. Likewise uses his own personal knowledge to pinpoint the location of the Separatist leadership to have then eradicated. Lastly, uses all of these matters to create an overwhelming case that the Republic is weakened and vulnerable, and for its own protection must be realigned into the First Galactic Empire. His strong central leadership becomes a touchstone for nationalist pride, and a desire for change, even if that change is detrimental.

Military Gain:
Uses the information as head of the Separatist Command to deactivate the droid armies. The entire war, an elaborate ruse, had only one outcome - flipping a switch, eliminating his real enemies, the Jedi, and installing his own fiercely loyal military support for a coups no one opposes.

Personal Gain:
Uses information about Padme, the suspicions of the Jedi against his office, and the personal trust established with Anakin to twist his mind to the Dark Side. Not only does he enlist the Chosen One as his dark servant, he convinces him that as he's killed his own wife and child, and that there is no hope left save that of the Empire. Darth Vader becomes his own, and his Empire's, most powerful protector.

The Lie: That aside from the Separatists, the Jedi were the real conspirators, and the real threat. The Jedi must be destroyed.

The Result: The endgame - Order 66 eliminates all viable opposition, and order is restored in the form of the Empire. And the Chosen One, the only one that could destroy the Sith and restore Balance, is now safely under his personal control.

The Advantage: Unlimited power.

These are just examples from the Prequels. There are other famous examples of the Imperial use of propaganda and subterfuge from the Original Trilogy, namely:

~ Creating the lie that the Tantive IV sent a distress call and was destroyed - not attacked and boarded.

~Allowing the Millennium Falcon to escape so that they could track it back to the secret location of the Rebellion Command.

~Using the idea of turning Luke to the Dark Side as an excuse to eliminate and replace his apprentice, Darth Vader.

~Using the capture of the Falcon and the torture of Han, Leia and Chewbacca to lure Luke into a trap.

~Using the Bothan spy network to deliver the false impression that the second Death Star is vulnerable to attack

These are all examples of not just simply using information as an advantage. Palpatine, sometimes directly, sometimes through his henchmen, uses information as bait. And he uses it as a control measure. And he uses it aggressively. It's the perfect martial tool, information - it's a shield, it's a cage, it's a weapon.

Planting attractive information does not mean planting information people love to hear. It means planting information that people can't ignore, information that people have to have and share, information that people's lives and livelihoods depend on.

This information has to reach people on a visceral, primal level. It has to touch their hearts and minds profoundly, and dredge up their deepest feelings on issues. Information like this is never valuable if its not divisive, galvanizing, exciting, even so unbelievable and so unfathomable, it has to be real, because no one in their right mind would attempt a falsehood so vast in scale. In short, it has to be borne of extremes - it has to sooth their minds, or spawn the darkest night terrors. Or, it has to lull them into passivity.

You can control an entire population to believe exactly as you would have them believe. You can plant information, you can remove information, you can shape information. If the Only Source of so-called facts is a government, then you can literally control the minds, control the thoughts and feelings, of billions of otherwise intelligent, modern people. They control the vertical. They control the horizontal. Welcome to the Outer Limits...and welcome to the 21st century.

Last night I watched a PBS Frontline special called "Tank Man". In 1989, in the middle of Tiananmen Square in Beijing, China, a lone man defied a column of tanks during a brief popular uprising, mainly among students but followed closely by the entire Chinese nation, and in fact the world. On the heels of the collapse of the USSR and the Communist Bloc in Eastern Europe, the tide of democratic change seemed ready to engulf the largest nation on this planet. The Chinese government, with all of its oppressive might symbolized in that column of tanks sent to pacify the burgeoning rebellion, was held at bay by one small man, apparently barely in his 20's.

The program went on to explain that no one to this day knows for sure the identity of Tank Man, or his fate. Some rumors came out of China that he was executed. A story was even published in a major newspaper that the Chinese government had put him down. Frontline interviewed the reporter, whose name appeared in large font under an even larger headline "TANK MAN EXECUTED". The reporter was befuddled. He said he never wrote the story. Not only did he disavow the story, he said it was impossible because it cited American intelligence as a source - and he had no American sources.

China, however, officially denies his execution, and hasn't spoken of it on an official level in close to a decade. The West would have you believe they murdered a hero. China would have you believe he's just fine. And we will never know who to believe, ever.

The Frontline interviewer then tried a shocking experiment. He placed the iconic photograph of Tank Man in front of 4 Beijing students, all roughly the same age as Tank Man in 1989. Each of them studied their own copy of the photograph.

You've seen it. You remember it. The entire World remembers it.

They stared, bewildered. One of them whispered "Maybe it's a parade." Another said it might be a ceremony of some sort. And one quietly whispered to the others "1989". No one else in the group apparently understood what he meant. One by one they said there was no way of telling what the photograph depicted as it was totally out of context. One even challenged that it was some sort of fake. Even the young man that whispered "1989" recanted. He claimed to have no idea what the photograph was about.

Whether or not he knew its significance, the implication was staggering. Most everyone in the group had no real idea of the event. No one knew who Tank Man was. No one knew they were looking at Tiananmen Square. No one knew of an uprising.

If you were in China now, and went to Google, Yahoo, any search engine, you would never find an image of Tank Man. There would be no stories of this day in 1989. And if somehow you managed to download or pass along such a story, Cisco routers specially configured for the State Police to monitor traffic would catch it, your individual PC and your location would be identified, and you would be found, detained...and never tell another soul. As if it were possible to find the information in the first place.

Tank Man, as iconic to the rest of the world as the Berlin Wall coming down, or Boris Yeltsin scrambling to the top of a Russian Tank in Moscow, or Hanoi Jane sitting on a VC anti-aircraft gun, had no identity. No history. A hero-to-be in his own land, mere miles from the spot he took his stand, was erased from collective memory.

The power of information is unmistakable, unstoppable, and insidious. Palpatine wielded it as no one had ever done so in thousands of years, and governments rose and fell by virtue of his lies.

How appropriate, then, that in the new short story from Karen Traviss, ODDS in Insider #87, we see the hint of this mastery at work again. How do you terrify your own population into willingly giving up their freedoms indefinitely? How do you make your own private army look tragically heroic, in the face of impossible odds? In fact, damn near martyrs? How do you get your enemy to embrace information you yourself have invented?

Give your enemies impossibly huge strength. Make them the boogey man that stalks you. Make them out to be the absolute End of the World. Without knowing the actual source of the information, your enemy will hold your lies up as a battle flag to rally under. Both sides will ultimately have a battle cry that captures the best and worst of their imaginations -

"Look how powerful we are! Look how terrifying we are!. There's no way to lose!"

"Look how powerful they are! Look how terrifying they are! We've GOT to win!"


This stroke of Palpatine's genius shows his understanding of psychology. It's not about being "believable". You can wrap your head about things that are "believable". You can quantify them, understand them, prepare for them. This has no use for a Master. This is about making people feel it their bones, pushing them into making irrational choices, not about providing information to make sane choices.

The unbelievable is the very nature of the Boogey Man. And the believable can be the absence of the Tank Man. It is not about reality, it is about the tensions that exist between complacent Comfort and abject Fear, and the rush to fill the resulting vacuums of reason.

And no one likes to believe that they are, at this very moment, being misled.

Numbers, like tiny atomic structures, are seen individually as safe little fact based-units. Innocuous, helpful...apparently harmless. Put bunches of numbers together, you've got something, apparently, made out of fact, right? Or not...it depends on where they came from, and who they were intended for. This is how you become a Master of Information, and this is how you conquer millions, billions, or even trillions of minds. It's about making the If's into When's, dreams into realities, and nightmares into the bump in the night we all think we hear from time to time. All start with little facts, little numbers, little lies that look like truth.

Rudyard Kipling wrote a personally treasured poem, one that I refer to at every milestone of my life, called "If" - it's about the making of a man. Now, in a world with so many unasked and unanswered questions, it pains me to butcher his work, so please pardon my creative license. But I find myself referring to it again, because this in so many ways is important to how we view the world now. Not just as enthusiasts for fiction, but as the dependants on fact...

If , Revisited

If you can keep your head when all about you
Lose theirs without knowing you're to blame;
If you can trust yourself when no one doubts you,
But trust no one else all the same;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or while crafting lies, never seen in lies,
Or by being loved, secretly indulge your hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream -- and make your dreams their master;
If you can think -- and make your thoughts their aim;
If you can devise Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've twisted
Spoken by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or break the things they gave their life to, watchful,
That they should never know how you use your tools;

If you can make intelligence out of thin air
Giving every T a cross and I a dot,
And scheme, and plant traps inside your schemes,
And never breathe a word about your plot;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your term long after it should be gone,
And so hold on when there was nothing in you
But a thirst for power which says: "Hold on!"

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings -- nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' of "Information" --
Yours is the Universe and everything that's in it,
And -- which is more - you're a Master, my son!


DM out

  wawaboy2
The Cantina
date Posted: Apr 12, 2006 2:41 PM
WOW... That's all I can say. WOW...
Karen Traviss
"Cannon to right of them, cannon to left of them...noble Three Million!"
date Posted: Apr 12, 2006 2:49 PM
Truthiness, DM.

  darthdan318
Help Me Obi-Wan Kenobi, You're My Only Hope
date Posted: Apr 12, 2006 2:58 PM
Great blog, DM.
  jkelly
There Is No Conflict
date Posted: Apr 12, 2006 3:01 PM
"It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when.."

That's what they told me about real estate investments, and I still haven't made enough to retire. Disinformation everywhere.
The Stooge
Star Wars Joke-A-Day
date Posted: Apr 12, 2006 3:03 PM
Very well-written piece! Kudos!
  Jadakin
Hyperspace
date Posted: Apr 12, 2006 3:24 PM
The Dark Moose this has nothing to do with the blog but I know from one of your other blogs you like The Breakfast Club, did you see it on Sunday or Monday when it was on.
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Apr 12, 2006 3:28 PM
The Dark Moose this has nothing to do with the blog but I know from one of your other blogs you like The Breakfast Club, did you see it on Sunday or Monday when it was on.

No, sadly - but I have it memorized. It's just to the left of my mental Star Wars sextology, all safely stored on my organic hard drive.

DM out
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Apr 12, 2006 3:36 PM
oh and Thanks for the comments everyone ...
teh_dude
So, at last we meet for the first time for the last time
date Posted: Apr 12, 2006 3:51 PM
Very well written...ironic I just watched something on the news about Chinese residents being arrested after Yahoo helped the local government there trace emails that were sent discussing gov't business & other not so positive elements of the way the gov't runs things.
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Apr 12, 2006 3:56 PM
It's a huge issue - American-based companies actively assisting State Police commit what we would see as, what most of the world would see as, human rights violations. Yahoo in particular handed over crucial information that landed a Chinese journalist in jail. His crime was forwarding an email of Chinese State guidelines on how stories should be reported to western media outlets. They gave up his IP, where his PC was..they practically handed him over themselves.
  Moonshade5
date Posted: Apr 12, 2006 3:56 PM
Wonderful blog. Frightening to think, how close all this is to real life.
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Apr 12, 2006 3:57 PM
More imortantly, Western companies are not supposed to supply crime prevention, crime detection equipment to the Chinese government. Cisco maintains that its sale and specialized configuration of routers used to detect unauthorized web activity doesn't fall under this, despite it being used in exactly those ways.

These companies appeared before a Senate oversight committee to explain this. I have yet to see even a wristslap. Our own companies are trading human freedom for cash, and nothing happens.
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Apr 12, 2006 4:09 PM
And all this is being done by who? Companies that traffic or filter information. Freedom of Information is the single greatest enemy of totalitarian states. I remember one of my favorite teachers, a Hungarian Catholic Monk (I went to a Benedictine school), said that when Hungary was invaded and brought into line with the USSR's communist bloc, they went immediately to the radio stations. While broadcasting pleas to the west to intervene, they stormed the station, and took them off the air to later be replaced by State run radio.

For people to be controlled, information must be controlled. In the Information Age, that's a scary thought.
  Knight557
Expanded Universe
date Posted: Apr 12, 2006 4:16 PM
It sounds a lot like 1984, the book. I wouldn't suggest anyone read it, the ending stunk in my opinion, but the idea of goverment changing facts, controlling news, and erasing people are all there. They called it BIG BROTHER!!!
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Apr 12, 2006 4:21 PM
George Orwell's 1984 is exactly what this stuff is about - that's a landmark book. Big Brother is watching...
  Son of a Bith
The Cantina Corner
date Posted: Apr 12, 2006 6:07 PM
War is Peace

Freedom is Slavery

Ignorance is Strength

Who controls the past, controls the future. Who controls the present, controls the past.
  Son of a Bith
The Cantina Corner
date Posted: Apr 12, 2006 6:23 PM
I just read Halagad's blog. It says that Greivous was known as the "Knight Slayer" on the Holonet. Yet another example of the "boogeyman" concept and using fear as a tool for control. Halagad made mention how it sounds like a serial killer nickname.( Jack the Ripper, Night Stalker, etc.) The media is always trying to scare us with boogeymen. In the 80's there was a big fuss over an alleged network of Satanists infiltrating many places in society, including daycares where they would abuse the children. And of course, this extended to popular entertainment like Dungeons and Dragons, rock music, etc.

Now of course, it was said to be a big overinflated hoax.
amidalooine
The Emotional Galaxy
date Posted: Apr 12, 2006 6:27 PM
Excellent blog, DM...justification for my cynicism.
  Kenobi-fan
The Jundland Wastes Journal
date Posted: Apr 12, 2006 6:46 PM
No offense, DM, but big deal. People like to be lied to. No one wants to believe that someone or some people, especially their own government, mean them harm - even if only through neglect. For every one 'tank man' there are billions of people standing on the side watching, glad it wasn't them sticking out like a sore thumb. No one wants to believe that money is the only thing that matters. No one wants to believe that their well being is only considered when it will impact profits or an election. No one wants to believe that their suffering is irrelevant in the face of starvation, disease, and war...
  Kenobi-fan
The Jundland Wastes Journal
date Posted: Apr 12, 2006 6:46 PM
...No one wants to believe that their religion will be used to get them to hate, judge, and destroy other people and other nations. We all want to believe we are truthful, compassionate, honest, honorable, and good. We aren't; not all us at any rate. Most of us simply hope we won't have to be put in a position to make that kind of decision. The sad fact is that until a tank or a hurricane or a destructive leader is placed in our path, do we rise to meet the challenge (I hope anyway). But why does it have to get to that point? Because we don't want to have to face the demon within...
  Kenobi-fan
The Jundland Wastes Journal
date Posted: Apr 12, 2006 6:46 PM
.... Just like people don't like to admit they are overweight, we don't like to admit we have deep seeded issues with our lives and those of our neighbors, here and abroad. We can't deal with our world's growing complexity, so we take the easier path and throw the baby out with the bath water. It's simple and it's easy to do. I think as our world grows, we are going to have to really face the ugliness we carry inside ourselves, that allows despots to rule, and 'innocent' people to suffer. What will we do then? Will we act? Or will we wait until another 'tank man' makes a stand? And what happens if he never shows - are we willing to wait forever? I have no answer to this.
jkthunder
Seven Pieces
date Posted: Apr 12, 2006 6:53 PM
Is that the Death Star in your pocket or are you just happy to see me Comrade?

Throughout history, reality has proven to be quite a maleable substance. Nonetheless, we're all in it and have some sort of primordial drive to equalize our perception. Tis a fine balance between the light and the dark it is. Darnit that duality.
  jedimastergoalie
date Posted: Apr 12, 2006 7:14 PM
George Orwell's 1984 is exactly what this stuff is about - that's a landmark book. Big Brother is watching...
As is Aldous Huxley's Brave New World.
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Apr 12, 2006 8:56 PM
What will we do then? Will we act? Or will we wait until another 'tank man' makes a stand? And what happens if he never shows - are we willing to wait forever? I have no answer to this.

There is a saying, and I can't remember it. But the gist of it is tyrants don't take power, the people give it. Complacency and diffusion of responsibility are the enemies of democracy, just as freely flowing information is the enemy of dictators.

I agree, Kenobi-Fan, and an excellent point. A Big Deal, indeed - never more aptly put, because it is a trade, a transaction, and a pact. It's Peace of Mind for "The Turning Away", as Pink Floyd once put it. It's a purchased silence, and we're all party to the deal.
Jedi Master Mina
Jedi blogging, go back to your drinks!
date Posted: Apr 12, 2006 10:09 PM
Whew baby, that was a bit long. Either you have missed your calling to be a writer or you have a lot of time on your hands. What are you doing here at SW.com? The creativity of a beautiful mind should not be wasted!! Deep, long but good blog. Remember that famous saying..."Knowledge is power".

BTW, I'm still against your swine Empire and I'm not scrubbing any stinkin' toilets in flip-flops. X-( ...kill-joy!
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Apr 12, 2006 11:29 PM
BTW, I'm still against your swine Empire and I'm not scrubbing any stinkin' toilets in flip-flops. ...kill-joy!

An emperor has no greater joy than to kill other people's joy :0) what can I say ..
  Son of a Bith
The Cantina Corner
date Posted: Apr 13, 2006 12:09 AM
Wow KF, you should put that in blog form... that was some great stuff.

So many people are in denial. Heads in the sand so to speak.
  Kenobi-fan
The Jundland Wastes Journal
date Posted: Apr 13, 2006 6:51 AM
Wow KF, you should put that in blog form... that was some great stuff.
I really hated writing that 'rant' of mine. I actually struggled with publishing it here. I don't like to believe I'm that cynical, but I am. DM's blog makes it so obvious how easily we allow ourselves to be duped, that I just got angry (sort of). I just get tired of hearing how things are 'so bad' right now, but no one appears to want to do anything about it or hold anyone responsible. We'll talk about, write about, and think about it, but do nothing. It's exhausting. BTW, I include myself in that group. I won't blog on this issue because it's too depressing but I appreciate the thought. :(
  Darth Rex0
So be it....
date Posted: Apr 13, 2006 7:44 AM
Great work DM. K-f, your response is right on. If its hard to do, people won't do it. Why hasn't there been another uprising in China? Are the people satisfied with what little freedom they have? Probably not, but its too hard to think of the alternative. I really wonder if the American Revolution would happen in today's society. I don't think so. I think most American would pay their tax to the British and sit on the couch and eat Doritos.
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Apr 13, 2006 8:41 AM
If its hard to do, people won't do it. Why hasn't there been another uprising in China?

Indications from the report I saw were that tensions are on the rise, specifically arising between the new middle class and elite in the urban centers benefiting from the new market reforms, and the lower class in rural areas that no longer benefit from free state services. Everyone has to pay to send their children to school now, there is no healthcare. The resulting mass-migration from rural to urban areas to find work to afford these necessities is crowding the labor market.
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Apr 13, 2006 8:46 AM
There are no rights for workers (think about that - a communist society that does not value the workforce) - they work 13 hour days, 7 days a week, 365 days/yr. There are NO days off.
Reports of clashes are happening more frequently - workers protest conditions, management hire thugs to beat down the protestors. China is seemingly quite near class warfare, and this, by the way, will affect economies in the west. They are the 2nd largest car market, and a significant portion of the world's manufacturing capability.
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Apr 13, 2006 8:50 AM
The workers they depend on, the workers we depend on - think Wal-Mart and Target - are growing increasingly unable to stand the conditions, especially when they can see prosperity right in front of them that they can't take part in.

The worst part of this to me is the suppression of schooling and information. When you're oppressed, the only solace you have is your mind and culture, and they take this away as well. And this Empire here on Earth is now not fueled by Communism, but Capitalism. Whoever said Capitalism goes with democracy and free markets has forgotten that Capitalism cares only for itself. See aforementioned Yahoo, Google and Cisco examples.
  Kenobi-fan
The Jundland Wastes Journal
date Posted: Apr 13, 2006 9:34 AM
Whoever said Capitalism goes with democracy and free markets has forgotten that Capitalism cares only for itself.
I almost wish I could change my name to 'Moose-fan'...almost. Ha! Great comments!
  Darth Rex0
So be it....
date Posted: Apr 13, 2006 11:16 AM
The worst part of this to me is the suppression of schooling and information.

Your right, that is the worst part. I once saw a special on PBS about relatives trying to find loved ones in China. There are "smugglers" who will smuggle folks in for a few hours with loved ones. The smugglers also smuggle in western newspapers. Needless to say, they risk arrest and possibly death by doing so. World economics aside, a class war might benefit the west in a different way. War. Any long standing military personell will tell you that China is one of the biggest threats the US has. It seems China is waiting for money to buy resources to fund their HUGE army. A political uprising might curve that.
  Darth Rex0
So be it....
date Posted: Apr 13, 2006 11:18 AM
I almost wish I could change my name to 'Moose-fan'...

Its bad enough he's on everyone's blog roll (including myself) now you are changing your name? Sheesh.

Yeah, I know K-f, you somehow reprogrammed your blog roll so The Dark Moose doesn't appear.:p
  Darth Rex0
So be it....
date Posted: Apr 13, 2006 11:19 AM
A political uprising might curve that.

That came off a little harsh. Of course it would also be to the long term benefit of the Chinese people.
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Apr 13, 2006 11:27 AM
Yeah, I know K-f, you somehow reprogrammed your blog roll so The Dark Moose doesn't appear

Impossible! I'm hard-coded into the server! The Moostrix has you!
  Darth Rex0
So be it....
date Posted: Apr 13, 2006 11:33 AM
The Moostrix has you!

True, but I took the blue pill, so I'm cool with that. Remember, I'm also conquered already. What can I say? I like sitting on my couch eating Doritos.:D
  Soresu76
Zen in The Art of Bloggery
date Posted: Apr 13, 2006 11:40 AM
And no one likes to believe that they are, at this very moment, being misled.

Much wisdom here. There are those who would die to defend the very institutions that exploit their loyalty.

I always felt that... "A true patriot should be eveready to defend his/her country against it's Government." -unknown
  jediV-man
date Posted: Apr 13, 2006 12:07 PM
WOW....i need to read this again.
amidalooine
The Emotional Galaxy
date Posted: Apr 13, 2006 6:22 PM
Whoever said Capitalism goes with democracy and free markets has forgotten that Capitalism cares only for itself.

I completely disagree with that statement (while I eat my Doritos, avoiding the Moostrix). Capitalism cares only for its own right to choose how to make its living and spend its money. Capitalists want to be generous on their own time, in their own ways, in their own amounts...and not have it dictated to them how much and for whom. It's like that 18% gratuity added to the bill of a party of 8 or more in a restaurant. I always want to stop the server and say, "You blew it, honey (I hate that "honey" thing, but it works here). If you'd had let ME decide, I would have given you 20%."
amidalooine
The Emotional Galaxy
date Posted: Apr 13, 2006 6:28 PM
But I got off topic a bit...sorry.

Who is to say when we reach the end of spin? Yes, governments manipulate their people the way Sidious manipulated a galaxy. But how do we know when we reach the end, the truth, the absolute truth? And is knowing the absolute truth always wise for entire populations?

I could go on and on, relate this to my real life, to my family, to my own life experiences. I am bluntly honest and hate, Hate, HATE lying or being lied to. But I can't always say that the truth has made me happy. Is it absolutely wrong to sometimes prefer to be "happy?"

Just thoughts I'm throwing out there...thoughts that go through my head while I don't always have the answers to life's toughest questions.
  KommanderKoehler
date Posted: Apr 13, 2006 10:59 PM
I feel cold...... and I have a strong urge to eat doritos.............
jkthunder
Seven Pieces
date Posted: Apr 15, 2006 9:38 PM
With both the Chinese and Palpatine's Empire, there was an initial turnover for the "big lie" to really work. It took the right amount of people to beleive in the lie long enough for it to be seen as popular, and the power is assumed. Initially the lie wears off, and fear sets in. I dont think people like to be lied to any more than tyrants think they are lying. After the lie wears off, effectively the fear sets in. Where the people were once lied to but then wised up, they commenced to lie to each other for fear of punishment for their treason. The vicious cycle has been initiated.
jkthunder
Seven Pieces
date Posted: Apr 15, 2006 9:44 PM
his apprentice, Darth Maul, to gather intel for him. The loss of Maul is inconsequential.

I see that Maul could have also been a divergence for the Jedi - like throwing them a bone, or giving them a scent to throw them just enough from wising up to Sidious, or suspecting Palpatine. Anakin too (of course we dont really know), could have served the dual purpose of giving the Jedi enough of a distraction, but at the same time infiltrating and eventually becoming the essential insider for Palpatine. Again, it took a short amount of time for the lie to be effective on Anakin before it was too late.
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