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The circle is now complete. When we first saw "Star Wars", we were but the learners, now we are the masters.

by: voovie1960

date posted: Feb 03, 2006 9:57 PM | updated: Feb 07, 2006 9:39 AM

Why Didn't Most of The Jedi Escape Order 66?

I have a friend who believes the Jedi are stupid because they didn't escape, but I disagree.

1. The order was given so quickly, many Jedi didn't have time to react, and similar scenarios have been the winning advantage in many a fight.

2. The clones (like the Trade Federation droids in a similar scenario depicted to the right) had strength in numbers on their side, although in every case in ROTS, it was hundreds against one.

3. The Jedi, to quote Padme, "are not all powerful", despite what the "Clone Wars" cartoon series would have us believe (although their moves in it were pretty cool).

4. From what I can tell, very few Jedi can see hundreds, or even thousands of years into the future, so it's not like they'd been warned.

5. The Emperor was clouding his moves from the Jedi.

Who do you agree with?

(feel free to post your reasons)

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LadyJedi09

date Posted: Feb 03, 2006 10:13 PM

you're right: there was no way the Jedi could have foreseen Order 66. Palpy (Sidious) and the Dark Side had clouded their vision and use of the Force. To quote Obi-Wan, "He was deceived by a lie; we all were." and the Order was freakishly sudden; look at how obi-Wan was nearly assassinated: not two seconds after Sidious contatced Cody he said, "Blast him!" and BAM! they shoot down General Kenobi-except he survives. and Jedi cannot fight an entire army of clones-especially clones as good as these. No one could have foreseen the tragedy that was Order Sixty-Six.

	jkelly There Is No Conflict
date Posted: Feb 03, 2006 10:19 PM More importantly, though, why did Sidious only send two troopers after Yoda? I mean, he scores after the other Jedi and Cody used an anti-vehicle cannon against Kenobi.

	Darth Siler 55
date Posted: Feb 03, 2006 10:30 PM Why did Sidious only send two troopers after Yoda? Maybe that was all he had immediately available at the time.

	Darth Siler 55
date Posted: Feb 03, 2006 10:32 PM I have to agree with you.

	Son of a Bith The Cantina Corner
date Posted: Feb 03, 2006 11:01 PM Good question. I think it is because If Commander Gree did start rounding up more troops, it would look suspicious to Yoda that he is making commands without his consent. But Yoda figured it out anyways. And if Gree did succeed in killing Yoda he would die anyways by means of getting his head ripped off by everyones favorite Wookiee!

DorkofMordork
This one goes there, that one goes there!

date Posted: Feb 03, 2006 11:58 PM

Yeah, I have to agree with you man. But there were some Jedi that survived. From my favorite SW book: Dark Lord! If you haven't read it you must! And I am not gonna say anything about if they die in the book or not. Cause I don't wanna ruin the surprize for everyone. But the names of the three Jedi that escaped the clones are: Roan Shryne, Olee Starstone and Bol Chatak (I think I mispelled the last one)

Osilio Remus

date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 4:18 AM

Yeah good point Son of a Bith, it would look suspicious to round up more troops. And as you said, if they had killed him, they would be torn apart by Chewie and Tarfful. Don't wanna mess with the wookies. And the list of Jedi who acctualy survived was more than Roan,Olee and Bol, they found more Jedi. I'm readin Yoda: Dark Rendevouz right now, and I just can't control myself during the destruction of the Jedi temple, knowing that Scout, Whie and everyone in there dies.

Padawan_Katis
Whispers From the Jedi Archives

date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 8:05 AM

I agree with you. Another reson why is because the Jedi could not sence the motives of the Clones. Meaning when 66 was issued the Jedi din't feel like a pressence of evil coming from the Clones, it would have been the same neutral obedient presence. Which is why the Jedi were caught off guard. But 66 didn't obviously take out all the Jedi. You have to remember that not all Jedi were at the Temple or with Clones at the time of 66. What about the Jedi who refused to fight, or ones on Jedi intelligence missions? If you think about it, alot of Jedi are unaccounted for.

	jedimasterninks
date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 9:18 AM Why did Sidious only send two troopers after Yoda? Because, there was a battle going on. If the clones could take kashyyk at the time, they wouldn't have to later.

Darth Kevinmhk

date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 8:15 PM

Matthew Stover's ROTS Novel has explained clearly.

1. Absolute number
2. Element of Surprise
3. the darkness generated by the death, horror, killing of the Clone Wars
everyday polluted the Force and cloud the Jedi's vision further.
4. Clone has no negative feeling at all when they execute the order.
They merely follow a legitimate order, so their emotion gave Jedi no warning
through the Force

	LadyJedi09
date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 8:41 PM true that, Darth Kevinmhk!

Master Jacen Solo1

date Posted: Feb 12, 2006 8:58 PM

The whole thing about clones not feeling or whatever only half explains it. Jedi have a "danger sense"(at least in the EU) that works almost as well when a rock is about to fall on their heads as when someone is about to shoot them. I mean come on here, droids don't feel anything yet there were relatively few Jedi casualties in the war. If the couldn't sense when a droid was about to shoot them from behind then no one would have survived Geonosis.

Master Jacen Solo1

date Posted: Feb 12, 2006 8:59 PM

Personally I think it makes since for the Jedi to have died when facing hundreds of troops. But most of the scenes in Ep. 3 are just ridiculous! Ki - Adi - Mundi saw the attack coming and still died! That pathetic little flurry of blaster bolts couldn't bring down a Council Master!

This is simply another example of Lucas being focused on the big picture and missing a little detail.

Mat Stover does a great job though. He almost fixed it. I love that guy. Undoubtably my favorite SW author. Shatterpoint and expecially NJO's Traitor were awesome. Pure genius.

	Ello137 Apocalypse Later
date Posted: Mar 28, 2006 11:55 AM The danger sense is omnidirectional though. And droids were pretty much constantly shooting at them, so it would be normal levels.

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