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Fragments from the Mind's Eye
date posted: Jul 26, 2006 6:22 PM
HD-DVD: The Super-VHS of the New Millennium
I'll preface this by saying I haven't crunched any numbers. I haven't pored over charts or done any statistical analysis. It's just a blog, and not any real prediction of the future. It's just one outsider's perspective.

This really is, like the positions shared by Stephen Colbert or the President, from the gut. And, unlike those chaps, I'm willing to suggest that I may be totally off, and history will prove me quite wrong. But I think HD-DVD and Blu-Ray technologies are too little, too
late, and too expensive. In essence, they're the SuperVHS of this technical generation. What? You don't remember SuperVHS?

Okay, we live in a technologically accelerated lifestyle. VHS had a 15-20 year run (or thereabouts) before its vast installed user-base decided to trade up to DVD. I just don't see the DVD audience willing to do the same right now -- I don't see the DVD life-cycle at that stage yet, and I can't imagine a business model that makes sense for studios to switch over to the new formats.

Consider these factors.

1) The "maturing" DVD marketplace. Now, it's been reported that DVD sales have plateau-ed. That instead of ever-increasing numbers, some studios ended up reporting losses on big titles. Does this mean the DVD market has antiquated to the point that it must be replaced? Does it mean that it's no longer a money-maker?

No. It means that typical Hollywood accounting has misrepresented the numbers yet again. I'll let you in a dirty little not-so-secret. When a public company reports its DVD sales, those numbers are almost always hiding something. Recall that Pixar proudly proclaimed record sales for the Incredibles, as Dreamworks did for Shrek
2
. About a year later, when posting their numbers for stockholders, it turned out that both those titles under-performed compared to expectations. Is something not adding up?

When a public studio issues a press release pounding its chest about DVD sales, it's doing so to bolster its stock. These records make the rounds thanks to an entertainment press that doesn't ask too many hard questions, and confidence in the stock is bolstered, the stock prices go up, and shareholders are happy. But what do the numbers really mean?

More often than not, a studio is bragging about the numbers of units sold to retailers -- not to consumers. What they're not telling you is that if consumers don't buy the DVD from the retailer, the retailer then ships the DVD back to the studio -- at the studio's expense! So, in Quarter 1, you can make big money by selling 12 gazillion units to
stores. Issue the press release. The stock goes up. But as the year continues, and the retailer doesn't want your inventory clogging up its aisles, it ships back 7 gazillion units -- and you're footing the bill. Now, can you understand how a studio can post losses on what was supposedly a smash hit?

Is the DVD market declining? Or are the studios finally getting pinched by their squinty numbers?

2) Does the consumer want the bells and whistles? And how much will it cost?

The picture difference between HD-DVD and regular DVD is not as pronounced as the difference between DVD and VHS. It's not a quantum leap. I have HD TV, and regularly watch programming that's in higher resolution than many of the DVDs I own, yet I'm not aching for HD-DVDs. At a recent trip to the Metreon in San Francisco, I saw a demo of a Blu Ray player, and wasn't sufficiently impressed.

I have a hard time imagining that the consumer base as a whole is dissatisfied with their DVD experience. If engine speed was very important to you, you'd pay a hefty sum to trade in a car that topped out at 60 mph for one that could 100 mph. But you wouldn't
necessarily pay the same price to get up to 110.

Aside from picture quality, much has been said about the sheer storage space of these new formats. Why, you can now cram them with extras!

But guess what? Tricked out DVDs costs more money to produce. Which do you think was produced in greater numbers: a 2-disc LOTR movie, or a 4-disc LOTR movie? The 2-disc, of course. It's cheaper to produce, manufacturer, ship, and purchase. And now single discs are becoming the norm as wider initial releases, followed by more robust and more expensive double-disc sets later down the line. Audiences are saying the price matters more than the bells and whistles.

But who is going to pay for the production of all that extra HD-DVD content? If an HD-DVD can hold eight documentaries, then it may end up eight times more expensive to produce that bonus material than a disc with only a single doc. So, is the price going to have to be jacked up accordingly?

Is the audience out there ready to pay for it? Again, the studios ended up shooting themselves in the foot due to their overproduction of DVDs. Because they overproduced and ended up with extra inventory that retailers didn't want, studios hacked the prices down the bone in some cases. We're talking blue chip titles for as little as $10 --
not stuff like The Secret of My Success, but Harry Potter movies.

Now, that's great short term news for the consumer. And it lets the studio make its quarterly numbers, making stockholders happy. But what does it mean for the industry? You've now lowered the bar and price expectation so low that to remain profitable, you're going to have to cut corners on what's on future DVDs.

And it turns out, the audience won't care. Not if they're paying only $10 for a movie.

All of these factors seem to go in directly the OPPOSITE direction as what HD-DVD is promising -- more content for a bigger sticker price, where audiences as a whole seem to happy with just-a-movie for a decent price.

3) Consider iTunes. I don't think it's a slam dunk success just yet, but it is in indication of where the future is heading. People replaced their record collections with CD collections at great expense. Now, they're not willing to pay the same price, but do seem to be happy buying songs here and there in digital format. The shelves crammed with CDs will soon be history, and music libraries will be invisible, stored in hard-drives.

I think the same will be true of movie libraries. Rather than having to buy a physical product every time the format changes, you'll just end up downloading the movie in the next higher resolution. Or with a new commentary. Or with a happier ending. Or whatever. And it won't be at $20 a pop. It'll be priced to encourage shopping a la carte. You can buy the documentaries and add-on materials. And documentaries can be continued to be produced with no real deadline, on an on-going basis. Didn't think the Wizard of Oz 3-disc set had enough behind-the-scenes material? well, go online and download the next 12-part documentary directly onto your media player. And burn it to
disc to keep forever, if you want the security of a physical product.

I really think the view-on-demand format is what's next, effectively side-stepping the whole HD-DVD and Blu-Ray transition. We don't need discs anymore. Studios stand to make more money charging a la carte for value added material and don't have to risk inventory costs from retailers shipping back product that doesn't sell. There's no authoring costs. No product that has to be shipped to warehouses.

Surely, there's a catch, right?

4) But, WalMart won't like it. That's the tough part. Hollywood probably won't want to rock the retailer boat so roughly, not when WalMart commands such power over it. Don't believe it? Why do you think certain directors who insist on fullscreen presentation capitulate and still produce Pan and Scan movies? Because Walmart consumers want them. And what Walmart wants, Walmart gets. Fun fact: the big W makes as much money in seven days as Hollywood does all year. That kind of coin means you can make some very lucrative partnerships, and Hollywood isn't likely to get out of that bed just yet.

Oh, there's other factors. For one thing, the digital download future requires a Hollywood willing to make a major change, and the industry has long been reluctant to make changes. Witness the snail's pace adoption of digital exhibition.

But if the business model can be cracked, and there's money to be made, it'll happen.

Of course, I may be wrong. But this is just what my gut is feeling today.

ph

  Sith Lord Eight
Sith to the left of me, Jedi to the right
date Posted: Jul 26, 2006 7:20 PM
Great information Pablo, and btw it's a pleasure to (kind of) make your acquaintance. As the owner of an HDTV myself, I agree that the difference between DVD and HD content is not very dramatic.

I must also agree that on-demand is the true wave of the future. I'm lucky enough to have this and truth-be-told, I have not even considered renting or buying a theatrical release since I subscribed. The only DVDs I purchase are ones with specialty content - concerts, TV series, and other material not readily available through my cable box.

Thanks for the juicy insider insights, they were pretty cool.
  The Infinite Force
Infinite Galaxy Of Fun - (Retired Archive)
date Posted: Jul 26, 2006 7:53 PM
I have to disagree to a point. True film enthusiasts and home theatre buffs demand special editions and bonus content, and directors want to provide these gems.

While the masses are happy with just a film in pan & scan, the smaller base of the collectors/buffs spend far more than the average joe and are the driving force behind the market.

And most people will always want a physical product, because a download of something intangible isn't as satisfying, and the prospect of purchasing bonus content sounds convoluted and impractical.
  The Infinite Force
Infinite Galaxy Of Fun - (Retired Archive)
date Posted: Jul 26, 2006 7:58 PM
That being said, you may be right about Blu-Ray and HD not catching on, but the fact remains that they WILL be cheaper to produce.

Even if a studio foots the bill for bonus material and an extended director's cut that would equal 4 DVDs of content, now all of that content will fit on a single Blu-Ray Disc. Cheaper production costs!

Entire TV Seasons won't be 10-Discs, they'll be three or four. There's money to be saved.



  The Infinite Force
Infinite Galaxy Of Fun - (Retired Archive)
date Posted: Jul 26, 2006 8:01 PM
Maybe I'm an idealist, but I have to hold hope that the robust special edition and director's cut DVD isn't going to die.

This represents fertile ground for the art of film, for versions of films fans prefer (LOTR EX), and for directors' true visions restored.

Look at Kingdom Of Heaven. Because of the 4-Disc Director's set that went out, a mediocre and studio forced editing hackjob theatrical cut has been revamped and revealed to be one of the greatest films ever made, universally raved by critics and viewers alike.

I have to hope the art of film won't be crushed by capitalist giants and ignorant masses.
DJ Maul: Got Feet?
DJ Maul's Dancin' Cantina Party
date Posted: Jul 26, 2006 8:38 PM
interesting thoughts.

As what i call a "joe average" consumer, Im not too thrilled about the idea of having to UPGRADE my DVD's to a "higher" format. Frankly Im happy with what they are now and have never really seen that much of a difference with HD...maybe its just ME.

Still, when it comes to movies i LOVE, it MUST be widescreen and if there's a choice between "regular" and "super special edition with bonus stuff galore!" sign me up for the bonus package.

But yea I like the idea of just DOWNLOADING the film in the best format available at the moment, but I think thats still quite aways off. Some consumers are still in the stone age PC wise.

Pabawan
Fragments from the Mind's Eye
date Posted: Jul 26, 2006 8:42 PM
Even if a studio foots the bill for bonus material and an extended director's cut that would equal 4 DVDs of content, now all of that content will fit on a single Blu-Ray Disc. Cheaper production costs!

Cheaper authoring costs, but not necessarily cheaper production costs, not if we're talking original value-added material like documentaries. Though you bring up an excellent point in that this will make television content easier to consume as home video, since you can fit entire seasons into smaller, easier to ship packages.

... but then again, digital download is the smallest, easiest to ship package of 'em all...

ph
  Wampa_Jedi
Jedi Wampa's Playhouse
date Posted: Jul 26, 2006 8:44 PM
As far as upgrading, I'm still waiting for this new "format war" to shake out. But I have to agree that it's not time.

While the masses are happy with just a film in pan & scan, the smaller base of the collectors/buffs spend far more than the average joe and are the driving force behind the market.

Not to be combative, but this is a very counter-intuitve thought. Here's why...

5 collectors want the Uber-edition that's $35. That's $175. But 50 "average joes" buy the one-disc or pan & scan at $15 each. That's $750. So, yes, individually the collector is spending more, but the money to be had is from the "average joe."




Wal-Mart has proven that time and time again....
Pabawan
Fragments from the Mind's Eye
date Posted: Jul 26, 2006 8:45 PM
Maybe I'm an idealist, but I have to hold hope that the robust special edition and director's cut DVD isn't going to die.

This represents fertile ground for the art of film, for versions of films fans prefer (LOTR EX), and for directors' true visions restored.


The digital download future, though, doesn't prevent any of that. In fact, it may make it easier for directors to directly sell to consumers who want the plussed-out movie. Currently, the sales are going to stores, who have to guess as to what consumers want.

ph
DJ Maul: Got Feet?
DJ Maul's Dancin' Cantina Party
date Posted: Jul 26, 2006 9:04 PM
well lets face it: MOST of todays movies arent WORTH what they're selling it for, and most arent even really deserving of "bonus material."

I mean, if the movie is CRAP who wants six hours of documentaries on WHY its crap?

That Hollywoods REAL problem: The bottom line is if its not worth watching the public wont buy it and they will lose money in ANY format, pure & simple.

  Sith Lord Eight
Sith to the left of me, Jedi to the right
date Posted: Jul 26, 2006 9:08 PM
....True film enthusiasts and home theatre buffs demand special editions and bonus content...

I was an art major in college for 4 long years and brother, your rant put me right back there! You seem to be of the same quick-to-assume, self-righteous, above-the-common-man mold as most of my classmates were. I suppose my 156 DVD's (77 in widescreen) and 215 VHS tapes don't qualify me into the true film enthusiast category. But heck, I'll give it a whirl anyway.
  Sith Lord Eight
Sith to the left of me, Jedi to the right
date Posted: Jul 26, 2006 9:08 PM
Just because I may embrace and look forward to new technologies does not automatically mean I do not enjoy robust special editions or director cuts. On the contrary, I am confident that all the bells and whistles will be equally advanced technologically. Just as they have been progressively improved right along side video itself for all these years.

I may be a capitalist and I may be ignorant, but I'll bet I smile and laugh a lot more during the course of a day than you friend (natuarally while I'm attempting to crush the art of film)... Ease up, drink some blue milk, embrace the "average joe" and the "ignorant masses." You're not an idealist, you're a snob.
DJ Maul: Got Feet?
DJ Maul's Dancin' Cantina Party
date Posted: Jul 26, 2006 9:17 PM
You're not an idealist, you're a snob.


dude that was WAY harsh...I dont think that was called for at all.
  The Infinite Force
Infinite Galaxy Of Fun - (Retired Archive)
date Posted: Jul 26, 2006 9:24 PM
Just because I may embrace and look forward to new technologies does not automatically mean I do not enjoy robust special editions or director cuts.

When did I say I was against new tech? And it wasn't a snobbish point, it was the truth: film buffs want bonuses, average joes don't care about them, they just want the movie.

It's Marketing 101: Consumer segments. You have your largest base segment of common consumer, and then you have your niches: DTS users, fans of particular sagas, collectors in general, etc.

And if viewing film as an art to be preserved rather than cheap entertainment labels me a snob, then I'm a snob, so be it.

NerfHerdersAnonymous
Life, the Star Wars Universe and Everything
date Posted: Jul 26, 2006 9:50 PM
If engine speed was very important to you, you'd pay a hefty sum to trade in a car that topped out at 60 mph for one that could 100 mph. But you wouldn't
necessarily pay the same price to get up to 110.

Exactly.

I like the idea of the invisible library of films/music (not books mind you, I love the feeling/smell of books and there's no replacement for that), it'll clean up the look of the house and make room for more important things...like said books. :D

Leah
General Tarfful
The Kachirho Daily Journal
date Posted: Jul 26, 2006 10:03 PM
I agree. The leap from VHS to DVD was quite significant. HD? Not so much. It's higher quality, it can hold more stuff. But it's, well, an evolution, not a revolution. Sony and everyone are hyping how it's going to redefine the home theater experience, blah blah blah, but I don't believe them. Is it better? Certainly. Is it more expensive? You bet... a lot more expensive. Is there even a clearly dominant format yet? Nope.

So I'm holding off on this one... well, maybe forever. As you said, digitial distribution is gaining traction. You can get movies on demand or recording via TiVo and HD trailers and videos from QuickTime.com or your Xbox 360 or wherever else.
General Tarfful
The Kachirho Daily Journal
date Posted: Jul 26, 2006 10:03 PM
There will always be a need for physical media, of course, but it won't be such a big deal. As for the satisfaction of owning a physical collection, I completely understand that... maybe there'll be combo deals where you can get a movie downloaded straight to your media center and have a backup hard copy shipped to you. I don't know. Maybe you'll have 3D holograms of movie cases, or at least touch screens with the spines.

Anyway, the bottom line is: I'm not in any rush to jump on the HD-DVD or Blu-Ray bandwagon.
  Sith Lord Eight
Sith to the left of me, Jedi to the right
date Posted: Jul 26, 2006 10:08 PM
...dude that was WAY harsh...I dont think that was called for at all...
I disagree, THIS is harsh -

"...film buffs (such as The Infinite Force) want bonuses, average joes (such as myself) don't care about them..."

"...Maybe I'm an idealist, but I have to hold hope that the robust special edition and director's cut DVD isn't going to die..."

New technologies like on-demand does not sentence the special edition and director's cut DVD to death. Pabawan said it perfectly, "The digital download future, though, doesn't prevent any of that. In fact, it may make it easier for directors to directly sell to consumers who want the plussed-out movie."
  Sith Lord Eight
Sith to the left of me, Jedi to the right
date Posted: Jul 26, 2006 10:11 PM
This is also harsh:

"...I have to hope the art of film won't be crushed by capitalist giants and ignorant masses..." (me again along with a lot of other people)

"...And if viewing film as an art to be preserved rather than cheap entertainment..." (again blasting the majority of the consumers)

Perhaps you're right DJ Maul, maybe I was a bit harsh, but consider this. The Jedi were blinded by their stagnant, inflexible views and traditions, which ultimately led them to lose touch with the "common man" & "average joes" of the glalaxy. The existence of the Sith even festered right under their noses for years.
  Sith Lord Eight
Sith to the left of me, Jedi to the right
date Posted: Jul 26, 2006 10:12 PM
cont...

Because of their idealistic and even arrogant self-righteous attitude, combined with their stubborness, the Jedi were caught with their pants down. They were caught by the future, by change, by social and technological advancement - which they had been unwilling to embrace or accept for so long. Perhaps I'm merely helping The Infinite Force avoid being cut down from the shadows by the HARSH crimson blade of a lightsaber?

You really are correct DJ Maul - it was a bit strong, but I do think it was called for, sorry.
DJ Maul: Got Feet?
DJ Maul's Dancin' Cantina Party
date Posted: Jul 26, 2006 10:53 PM
SL8:

obviously your PASSIONATE on the subject, which is fine, but perhaps just a LITTLE more tact...there are ways of making your point without it getting PERSONAL or calling someone a "snob" just because their opinion varies from yours.

Plus doing that kind of thing is a good way to get yourself banned, as it could be concidered "flaming" by the Mods...just trying to help.
  The Infinite Force
Infinite Galaxy Of Fun - (Retired Archive)
date Posted: Jul 27, 2006 8:10 AM
I took no offense, Sith Lord, but offer this:

"To change one's ways based on the times, to follow the many and cease to be one of the few, is to betray that which one stands for."

If I changed my opinions on a whim based on the views of another or the advances of time, what value do they hold if I so easily toss them aside?

Sometimes it is better to be wrong for the right reasons.


And I think that's enough off-topic banter.
  Darth Rex0
So be it....
date Posted: Jul 27, 2006 9:18 AM
Great info here. When you really compare it to history (yes I remember super VHS) I think you've got a great point. I keep hearing that it will only be one disc and that is sooo much cheaper. That isn't the production cost. The physical materials cost practically nothing. Its the work of putting them on the disc, not to mention the cost of shooting the material that goes on the disc.

No, I don't think the revolution is now either. Just look at the fact that there isn't one accepted format. I know the companies are fighting over it, but it would just take some retail backers to end the debate. It hasn't happened because the retailers don't care right now.
  Sith Lord Eight
Sith to the left of me, Jedi to the right
date Posted: Jul 27, 2006 10:20 AM
...And I think that's enough off-topic banter...

Agreed. Please realize I only took offense because no one enjoys being stereotyped and referred to as ignorant and uncaring of the arts. You see, I am an artist myself (graphic designer) and I was just sticking up for the average joe, which I consider myself relative to film. As an artist however, I do fully understand your point of view. I firmly believe that all the arts are constantly threatened by capitalism and the increasingly short attention span of the consumer (which unfortunately includes me). I suppose I would just recommend trying to be a little more tolerant of us average joe film consumers (Sorry, I guess I just had to have the last word)...
  Sith Lord Eight
Sith to the left of me, Jedi to the right
date Posted: Jul 27, 2006 10:20 AM
I agree with you Infinite Force that the artists creating these movies should not have the means to realize their full visions taken away. The examples you gave are excellent: LOTR and KOH (I might even include the Blade Runner Dir Cut) all benefit from these marvelous opportunities.
  Sith Lord Eight
Sith to the left of me, Jedi to the right
date Posted: Jul 27, 2006 10:22 AM
I think our basic disagreement is that I believe, as Pabawan does, that the new technologies will still provide the same opportunities. The opportunities may even be broadened. Perhaps "I" am being the idealist in this case, after all I am in no way a technological expert. However, I do have faith that technology will not sweep away these opportunities; especially since technological advancements are a big part of why we enjoy the bounus materials in the first place.

So here we are: constructive disagreement that does not involve nasty fireworks. Sorry for my part Infinite Force! May the force be with you, always.
  Jadakin
Hyperspace
date Posted: Jul 27, 2006 12:01 PM
This blog is very detailed and I agree with you, the difference I tell you the truth, I see no difference, I have an HDTV and a DVD player with an extra progressive scan, and so far I have not seen any program that claims to be HD to be in higher quality than my Star Wars DVD's.
  Jadakin
Hyperspace
date Posted: Jul 27, 2006 1:46 PM
By the way when will the photo masher be updated.
Pabawan
Fragments from the Mind's Eye
date Posted: Jul 27, 2006 2:02 PM
Probably next week.

ph
  Jadakin
Hyperspace
date Posted: Jul 27, 2006 4:12 PM
Oh, it's cause I sent in one and I have been waiting for a month for it to be shown on the website.
  Bach Solo
Bach Solo's Blog
date Posted: Jul 28, 2006 12:33 AM
On the mainpoint I agree,HDandBlu-ray will not do well.I strongly disagree withTHE INFINITVE FORCES assesment of who's driving the market.It's NOT the "buffs" it's the "average joes."Obvious by the only format "buffs" drove,the LD,which cost 50bucks a pop.With low costs ofDVDs,it's the casual consumer that drives it.I work for Target which has a largeDVDsection.Something LDs never had in the 80s,90s.Many times I have to explain to guests why W/S is better than F/S.I wouldn't have to do to a "buff" And why HDandBlu-ray will not do well, to the "average joe" theirDVD's look fine.As for downloads I hope we never come to that.One of my joys in life is seeing my growingDVD Library.I dont want to look at my Dell to say "wow, what a library?"
-=Jedi Master Yoda=-
No sith for you!
date Posted: Jul 28, 2006 2:09 AM
When I bought all my DVD's including my Star Wars OT and EP I-III, the reason I bought them is because DVD's picture quality stays over time (unlike tapes).

So it's an investment I made.

I'm not willing to buy 100+ DVD's all over again just because the resolution is a little higher, it's too early for me.

I never collected movies at all until DVD came along.

The only movies I bought on VHS were the Star Wars Trilogy SE, and Phantom Menace.
K1DarkKnight
date Posted: Jul 28, 2006 5:12 AM
Let's take a step back and consider some other format transitions (or lack thereof). The only media content that has gone through any significant changes in the last half-century are audio (mainly music) and video (movies). Obviously books, magazines and newspapers are still printed, and have not 'transitioned' to any other portable, mass market format. I don't count e-books, simply because there is not a single, dominant format for them. Granted, magazine and newspaper articles are available online, but those who would otherwise pick up a printed copy of those, still do so. As a side note, Audiobooks, due to the production costs are still more expensive than their printed counterparts, even in abridged formats.
K1DarkKnight
date Posted: Jul 28, 2006 5:55 AM
Looking at music, this is a fine example of media that has undergone numerous changes, just in the last 3 decades! Phonograph records were the dominant media, in various formats, from the 1920's all the way through the 80's. Vinyl records are still available today, but the market is extremely small. The 60's saw the advent of audio cassettes, though they weren't seriously considered for mass music distribution until the 70's, with the introduction of Dolby noise reduction. Of course there was reel-to-reel tape, though it never gained dominance outside of record studios and radio stations.
K1DarkKnight
date Posted: Jul 28, 2006 6:07 AM
What became the "8-track" format was invented in the 50's, and went through numerous changes, before it finally died out in the early 80's. 1979 saw the first revolution in audio listening, though, with the release of the Sony Walkman. Finally, people could take their music with them ANYwhere!
The second audio revolution, then, clearly took place just a few years later, in 1982, when Sony and Philips jointly developed the Compact Disc. Other formats have come and gone, but the CD, the first digital audio media, is still far and away the most popular physical format available for music.
K1DarkKnight
date Posted: Jul 28, 2006 6:33 AM
This brings us to alternate distribution methods. While there are many ways for people to purchase physical CDs (and other media), they all involve an exchange of money for physical goods. The near ubiquity of the Internet, though, enables one to purchase the content of an album, without actually obtaining the actual vinyl/cassette/plastic which would contain it. This has led to as many changes in how we listen to music as the audio cassette. People can now carry hours upon hours of music on a device no larger than the aforementioned audio cassette. In any case, all these changes (from phonograph record to iPod) have taken place in a mere 80 years. Home video, by comparison, has only been practical for roughly 30 years.
K1DarkKnight
date Posted: Jul 28, 2006 7:08 AM
First there was Beta (1975), then VHS (1976) was introduced, and in less than a decade managed to dominate the market. DVDs have been available for a decade now, and already the manufacturers are looking for a replacement? If you look at the patterns of the music industry, I believe you'll see that some form of online/on-demand distribution is nearly inevitable. Cable companies offer 'on-demand' video, but with a limited selection, streamed to your cable box. I fully expect that, within 2-4 years, someone will release a set-top box with a massive hard drive, DVD burner, AND USB ports, in conjunction with a video equivalent of Apple's iTunes. What this would mean to cable companies is anyone's guess.
  trekkie1
date Posted: Jul 28, 2006 7:11 AM
Hey Pabawan you said you remember the super-vhs well I don't remember that but I do remember the laser disc that flopped big-time, I don't know if the hd formatted discs will flop but I do know that there is a big market for new technology and people will buy anything that is new, especially when the company's and the media say you now need a (put in the new technology here). This kind of marketing has been going on ever since marketing began. I do agree that people need to be impressed enough to totally switch from one technology to another but that won't stop company's from trying to sell them something new.

:)
gold5
I lost Tiree, lost Dutch!..or How I learned to stop worrying and love the Death Star.
date Posted: Jul 28, 2006 8:33 AM
Back in my day, we didn't have no HDee-TVee or Digeetaal doownloads. We had magnetic tapes and we liked it!:^O :p
TheSithEmpire
date Posted: Jul 28, 2006 11:01 AM
Another problem is that the technology behind HD and Blu-Ray is already obsolete. Some companies have developed formats with storage space 10 times that of HD and that number is growing. While these aren't geared for the retail market (yet), it doesn't make sense for the consumer to switch over to either format when in as little as 5 years the major manufacturers could be touting the next wave.

TheSithEmpire
date Posted: Jul 28, 2006 11:01 AM
HD and Sony Blu-Ray are debuting too soon with a technology that has already been surpassed. It would have been challenging enough to convince consumers to switch over, but with a format war, it only adds to an already confusion situation--not just to the average consumer--but to the enthusiast who's not willing to build a library on a format that may be dead in a few short years.
  mcfalcons15
Darth Districter
date Posted: Jul 28, 2006 12:32 PM
I can't believe that someone with HDTV doesn't think HD-DVDs will be successful. I have HDTV and I can't stand watching something thats not HD. I love HD movies, they are far superior in quality than a Standard DVD. Is DVD dead? I think so. The real mve is to On Demand. Theres nothing better than sitting down with my boo to watch a movie we haven't seen in High Definition on Demand. I think it will one day take over movie theatres. Just a hunch.
  MasterVestin5
date Posted: Jul 28, 2006 2:16 PM
I like your thinking. If music can go digital, then so can movies.
  greenandwhitejedi
Bar 66
date Posted: Jul 28, 2006 3:03 PM
You have somehow managed to write an article which is more informative than a hundred by professional gear-journos combined. *Golf clap*

I do like HD, though. It's purty.
Halagad
Only Sith Deal In Absolutes!
date Posted: Jul 28, 2006 4:41 PM
Wow. That was classic Hidalgo 101.
The Stooge
Star Wars Joke-A-Day
date Posted: Jul 28, 2006 5:10 PM
Excellent analysis. I'd forgotten all about S-VHS... which was the point, wasn't it?

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but another reason why DVDs won't last is because, by and large, they aren't being used in video cameras. Professionals stick with tape because it's more stable, and personal DVD-camcorders are still too expensive for the average consumer. Once video cameras go digital, which is the next obvious step, it'll further pave the way for a fully-digital home entertainment market.
  stout459
Star Wars Saga Ultimate Edition DVD
date Posted: Jul 29, 2006 8:23 AM
Your comments about the cost of extra DVD content got me thinking about future Star Wars DVDs. Rick McCallum has often stated that there is tons of extra "material" from the production of the prequel trilogy [and I would image the original trilogy as well]. Do you think any of this will see the light of day on some future SW DVD release, as online material, or not at all given the cost?
  stout459
Star Wars Saga Ultimate Edition DVD
date Posted: Jul 29, 2006 8:24 AM
Also, with cost being a factor, do you thing Georgl would be inclined to go back and complete more deleted scenes with full effects? Its now looking like the often discussed "Saga" or "Ultimate" edition of the 6 films is truly just a fanboy dream, but do you forsee future Star Wars DVD release with additional content? Or, will new material just be made available from the website? [What about that digital Yoda in Phantom Menance? ;) ]
  stout459
Star Wars Saga Ultimate Edition DVD
date Posted: Jul 29, 2006 8:25 AM
Also, with cost being a factor, do you thing Georgle would go back and complete more deleted scenes with full effects? Its now looking like the often discussed "Saga" or "Ultimate" edition of the 6 films is truly just a fanboy dream, but do you forsee future Star Wars DVD release with additional content? Or, will new material just be made available from the website? [What about that digital Yoda in Phantom Menance? ;) ]
  stout459
Star Wars Saga Ultimate Edition DVD
date Posted: Jul 29, 2006 8:27 AM
Oops - my apologies for the double post!
  EbilHanSoloGoodVader
*~Become A Sith!*~
date Posted: Jul 30, 2006 7:09 AM
what does this have to to with star wars at all!