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Those gnawing little thingies...
by: quin1974
date posted: May 29, 2006 4:35 AM
The Birth of Heroes
It has been quite a while since my last blog. This is all due to some significant shifting in my personal life. Buying a house, renovating it and making plans for getting married can take up quite a lot of time. During all this business I thought of a certain element in the storyline of Episode III and subsequently IV: birth certificates.

Just over a year now we have known that Luke and Leia were born in the Polis Massa sector, an asteroid cluster somewhere in the Outer Rim. Yoda, Obi-Wan and Senator Organa used this facility to try and save Padmé from dying. The twins were born there and Padmé died. A sad ending to a tragic telling. Luke and Leia were then each taken to a different planet (Tatooine and Alderaan) to grow up not knowing their special inheritance.

My questions are: what was the birthplace on the birth certificates of the two kids? Polis Massa or Tatooine and Alderaan?

And what was the father's name on those certificates, for that matter? Did the Jedi and the Senator willingly falsify official documents to keep the kids out of sight?

Was Luke's name on his certificate Luke Skywalker of Luke Lars? If the former is true, why was Leia name Leia Organa and not Leia Skywalker?

Catch my drift? :D

If you ask me: There has been some serious tampering with official documentation by the principals and this could be considered as being very Dark Side behavior.

Well, any thoughts? Probably yes, and keep it civil

:)

  Megawolf
date Posted: May 29, 2006 5:37 AM
Well, Luke was Luke Skywalker because I guess he lived with "family". He wasn't Lars because Luke didn't recognise them as mom and dad, he called them Uncle and Aunt, their correct titles. Also, Luke was on an outer-rim, backwater planet that the empire had no interest in. Leia was part of the Imperial Senate, so having a skywalker name would have tipped a bunch of people off.
  quin1974
Those gnawing little thingies...
date Posted: May 29, 2006 5:41 AM
That would probably be true, but what about the birth certificates? :)
usetheforce19
MasterMonkey13
date Posted: May 29, 2006 8:07 AM
Hmmmmm, if the Jedi put such importance of the hiding of Luke and Leia then I think their birth certificates would be Tatooine and Alderaan.

May the Force be with us all! God bless!
Jedi Master Mina
Another Galaxy, another time
date Posted: May 29, 2006 10:21 AM
My guess is that there probably were no such documents to record their birth. Most of the EU books indicate that all historical documents of the Old Republic, including the identity of Anakin Skywalker were destroyed. Palpy did not want any history getting back to his Apprentice.

And being that Jedi are sneaky....I assume Obi-Wan and Yoda made sure there was no paper trail to lead to the discovery of the twins. However, all information regarding this was recorded by R2, as Luke discovers in the Dark Nest trilogy books. Great read...I recommend it.
  Shade of Sidious
date Posted: May 29, 2006 10:28 AM
Considering that she was born during a galactic civil war Leia could have been listed as a war orphan with her mother and father listed as unknown. Considering the times I doubt any offical would question that, especially coming from the royal family. Luke was told his fathers name was Anakin (which seems dangerous) and that he was a navigator on a spice freighter, but I don't know if that would have been the official cover story or just told to Luke. I can't imagine Tatooine had much of a government system to worry about.
jkthunder
Seven Pieces
date Posted: May 29, 2006 10:53 AM
I think GL's answer would be "There's no birth certificates in space!"

Which is true as far as the GFFA goes, and it's been expanded on in the EU.

Names: Leia received the surname Organa since her heritage needed to indeed be kept a secret, even from herself, being that she was such a public figure as was Bail and his wife in the royal court of Alderaan.

jkthunder
Seven Pieces
date Posted: May 29, 2006 11:01 AM
Luke was in relative obscurity buried in the outer rim, with very little likelihood he would be found out there, and the entire galaxy (save for very few individuals) did not know Anakin and DV were the same person. Anakin remained a hero, but since the defamation of the Jedi, Luke only knew him as a great pilot. Owen gave Luke the surname 'Skywalker' because of his love and respect for his step-mom Shmi. The book The Rise of Darth Vader, gives a good explaination of why DV would never go back to Tatooine.

Lack of records of Luke and Leia's birth on Polis Massa are gone into in the young readers series The Last of the Jedi. Basically, Obi Wan and Yoda saw to it that there were in fact no record of Padme being there at all.
padmeskywalker77
Padme's Legacy
date Posted: May 29, 2006 12:32 PM
I also read this in The Last of the Jedi. Now, just how "cannon" is this information is up for debate. However, Jude Watson does a nice job with this "issue."

I think GL's answer would be "There's no birth certificates in space!"

I like that one, jk :) This would more than likely be his explanation.
  quin1974
Those gnawing little thingies...
date Posted: May 29, 2006 2:24 PM
LOL

It is amazing what people expand upon in the EU. I thought I had found something really outrageous to post, but to my amazement you kind have found some serious answers. kudos to you all :)
padmeskywalker77
Padme's Legacy
date Posted: May 29, 2006 2:46 PM
You know you did find something good here, quin1974. Had I not read any of those books in The Last of the Jedi series, I would not have known any different. (Although many consider the EU non-cannon). You did have some good thoughts here. B-)
Granny-Wan
I Am NOT an Old Fossil!
date Posted: May 29, 2006 6:34 PM
I wouldn't assume their are birth certificates in the GFFA. Especially on a mining asteroid like Polis Massa.

If there is, there's certainly there's enough corrpuption in the Republic to find an official to bribe to destroy the records...
  SnoopDarthyDarth
Sith point of view related to real world...
date Posted: May 29, 2006 9:25 PM
Uh... yea...

Leia was adopted to the Organa family. Of course give her the family name... secret identity and all.

Birth cirtificates and fathers name on it?
This is a Senator and head of the Jedi counsil we're talking about.
Two of the most influential political figures in the galaxy.
As senator, Bail was in near charge of (and royalty) Alderan and Yoda??

They could pass off any kind of birth papers they liked easily.
Do you think every government on Earth hasnt done this at some time or another?
  SnoopDarthyDarth
Sith point of view related to real world...
date Posted: May 29, 2006 9:29 PM
As far as Luke though...
Yes your right, Luke should have taken on a different name then Skywalker.
I mean from a movie writing point of view, it was established and GL had to work around it come prequel time but logicaly, yes he should have taken the name Lars or even something else... anything but the last name of his "scourge of the galaxy" father!!!
Tiawyn
TiaWyn's Star Wars Blog
date Posted: Jun 03, 2006 10:59 AM

I don't think Owen Lars knew that Darth Vader was Anakin Skywalker. At the time Obi-Wan took Luke to Tatooine, he thought Anakin/Vader was dead. It seems unlikely that "Ben" would have returned to give him an update, especially after Qui-Gon warned him not to let Luke know about his father until the time was right.

We don't know how common a name Skywalker was in the Star Wars universe. We don't see any others but Shmi Skywalker must have had relatives. After all, not everyone with the family name of Antilles is related.

When Darth Vader first heard the name Luke Skywalker, maybe he thought he had a long lost cousin.


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