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A Rebel's Ramblings
by: FAN4YRS
date posted: Oct 22, 2006 2:15 PM  | 
updated: Jan 25, 2007 3:58 PM
"Return of the Jedi" without Ewoks
As a fan who has been with "Star Wars" almost since the beginning, it is difficult for me to determine when the Ewok bashing began. I was nine in 1983 and can tell you that none of my peers (at the time) disliked Ewoks. Their popularity was so immense that two Award-winning Ewok films followed (they were presented in theaters in Europe and on television screens in America): "Caravan of Courage" (renamed "An Ewok Adventure") (1984) and "Ewoks: The Battle for Endor" (1985). When "The Ewoks and Droids Adventure Hour" premiered, See Threepio and Artoo Detoo's adventures lasted only one season, but the Ewoks went on until 1987. This is an intriguing fact: It seems "Star Wars" fans could not accept Artoo and Threepio without Luke, Leia, and Han, but Ewoks could be enjoyed without so much as a mention of the other characters and planets in a GFFA.

I think the bashing came when all entertainment began to get "darker", a scenerio whose appeal has always been lost on me. For some reason, friendly, furry creatures went out of styles, at least on screen (thank God for cats, not in real life).

So, what if Lucas decided to someday ax Ewoks from "Jedi"? I think we would be left with a much less interesting film.

First off, it would certainly be a film less appealing to children. The Ewoks engage an audience that might be afraid in Jabba's palace, bored on Dagobah, and lost in the Emperor's throne room (let's face it, most of us didn't have a clear picture of what was going on there as kids, we knew Luke was Vader's son and he wanted to rescue him, but what was all the pish-posh with the Emperor?). Frankly, this is where the Prequels are lacking, with the exception of Episode I, that goes overboard, we need something for the kids (Episode III was the best balanced with the Artoo opening).

However, whether we want to admit it or not, as adults, we like the Ewoks, too. If Han had encountered a moon full of Wookiees (as was the original idea) he would have been right at home, so there ends all the conflict and humor between the Han and the Ewoks. Furthermore, Wookiees were very familiar with people and there would have been none of the enteraction between them and See Threepio.

Then there is the moral message that Ewoks represent. No, I'm not going to give the standard kiddie one, but again, for us grown-ups: the Ewoks were physically small and had none of the military power. Most of us are small economically, and in the power and influence departments. However, the Ewoks size didn't stop them from going against evil, and our limitations shouldn't prevent us from standing up for what is right.

So go herd that, Scruffy!

Or, thanks for reading, to those who are already Ewok fans.

  Japanese Fett
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 2:30 PM
Ewoks rule! Yub nub!

Sayonara, & MTFBWY
amidalooine
The Emotional Galaxy
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 2:58 PM
...ssssshhhhhh, everyone. I'm not an Ewok fan...but don't tell FAN4YRS...or mirax7 if she shows up...

:D

I guess being 20 and about to get married when ROTJ came out, I was about as beyond the Ewok-craze as possible.

They're kinda cute now though...honest...I'm not telling you that just because I like you and all...noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...
usetheforce19
MasterMonkey13
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 3:01 PM
*gasp* You have pulled the truth from me, Ewoks aren't all bad, they are okay. But, they're still not the best species ever.

I think the bashing came when all entertainment began to get "darker",

You know what, you're right. I never liked dark movies, and I never will.

May the Force be with us all! God bless!
anakinside1
Echoes from the Asteroid Field
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 3:20 PM
I have no problem with Ewoks and didn't know anyone else did until I watched ROTJ with my husband. And you've nailed it in terms of the kid appeal. As a kid I was terrified by all the stuff in Jabba's palace, but I was happy as a gungan in a swamp at the end with all of that furry cuteness running around. :D
  Darth Kaitlyn Skywalker
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 3:20 PM
I'm not sure if there would have even been an ending to ROTJ. The Ewoks are kind of the mini heroes that did a big job. They fought Stormtroopers! What more can you ask for in a little fur ball?!
  anigirl3
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 3:33 PM
Why don't people like Ewoks???? They're so cute and fuzzy...I want one.:)
littleluke59
Wormie's Corner
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 3:33 PM
My thoughts exactly! Those little guys were very important, even if they seemed furry and cute. Many things are furry and cute but are dangerous. Take squirrels for instance, they are furry and cute, but really they are crazed animals with the secret plot to take over the world! And they could have rabies...*shudder*
GO EWOKS!
LL;)
  21212121212
"So be it.......21212121212"
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 3:42 PM
The rebels would have lost the battle of endor if it weren't for the ewoks.

Uh........not like I care or anything

- Atton Rand
jediprincess77
I Know...
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 3:56 PM
I don't really have an issue with Ewoks, probably because I adored their TV show as a kid and "Caravan of Courage" was one of my favorite movies during my early padawan years...

Still, I'm pretty sure the invention of Ewoks showed us that there was a line somewhere. With the invention of JarJar, George pretty much crossed it. Or maybe he just toyed with it. I dunno...the jury's still out on that one.

Great blog! :D
  Jadakin
Hyperspace
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 4:26 PM
I wasn't born when Return Of The Jedi came out, but they never seemed to bother me, actually the story and movie is mostly Ewoks and The Rebel Alliance in the Battle Of Endor scene. If they weren't in the movie, I don't think we would have had a movie at all.
  jkelly
There Is No Conflict
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 4:51 PM
I always loved the way that the Ewoks fought overwhelming odds with crude farming instruments. They were never that cute to me, though. They've got more ferocity and courage per pound that any other species in the galaxy.

My one lament about the SE movies was the removal of the Ewok War Cry. My blog on it is similar to your's. Good job.

And tell Darth Ami to stop being grumpy just because the Steelers are in the toilet and could've used some of that Ewok courage today.
  Son of a Bith
The Cantina Corner
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 5:56 PM
YUB YUB!!!

More power to the Ewoks!

I love the Ewoks in ROTJ, but I hate all the stuff that came after, like the spinoff movies, cartoons, and comics. That is probably where most of the future hate came from.
amidalooine
The Emotional Galaxy
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 6:01 PM
Hey FAN4YRS?!!!...I LOVE the ewoks. HONEST. So can you...like...pretty please...blacklist jkelly??????

]:)

:D

And when DarthRex0 comes along next to rip on me, blacklist him, too!!!
FAN4YRS
A Rebel's Ramblings
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 6:15 PM
Amidalooine, I apologize for jkelly's remark.

I ask all commenters NOT to leave negative comments about anyone. Leaving negative comments could lead to having your comment deleted and then blocking.

Let me know if this is enough for the time being, Amidalooine. I am always glad to receive your comments.
  g.skywalker3
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 6:35 PM
I love ant Star Wars character but my favorite is not an Ewok still love them though!!!!!
FAN4YRS
A Rebel's Ramblings
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 6:41 PM
you love "ant Star Wars character?" Like, Aunt Beru?

You don't have to LOVE the Ewoks, I just wish some people would stop hating them.

Thanks for the comment g.skywalker3!
amidalooine
The Emotional Galaxy
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 6:58 PM
You are so sweet, FAN4YRS! I'm SO just kidding about jkelly, of course. I can take his crap! (...you know that, right?...)

You put me in the mood to watch ROTJ now!
  Son of a Bith
The Cantina Corner
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 6:58 PM
Ami and jkelly are just joking. It isn't real insults.



;)
FAN4YRS
A Rebel's Ramblings
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 7:15 PM
I can't BELIEVE you people!!! No, I have NO idea when you're joking about EACH OTHER.
Delete delete delete delete.

OK, now I'm just kidding, about the deleting thing anyway, but NO I took you seriously.

Please don't cry wolf on my blogs people!
  gahmah80
Gahmah's Lair of Trauma (Blog Closed Due to Inability to Renew Hyperspace Account)
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 7:24 PM
The Ewoks engage an audience that might be afraid in Jabba's palace, bored on Dagobah, and lost in the Emperor's throne room.
Exactly. Besides, Gahmah's the type of person who is annoyed by whiny fans and other whiny people. Gahmah just doesn't like hearing people complain about "The Ewoks ruined ROTJ!", "Jar Jar ruined the prequels!", "Only Han should've shot first!", "Darth Vader's 'Nooooooooooooooooo!' line is so gay!", etc., etc., etc. It makes them (especially people 30 or over) look like big babies. X-(
FAN4YRS
A Rebel's Ramblings
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 7:30 PM
Well, Han should have shot first, and does in the REAL version, but with everything else I agree with gahmah. : )
  gahmah80
Gahmah's Lair of Trauma (Blog Closed Due to Inability to Renew Hyperspace Account)
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 7:36 PM
Gahmah's point is........big, pointless complaints get pretty old over time, especially when they last 9 years (well, it's been 9 years since the Han-Shot-First debate started). Gahmah means, seriously, how long do geeks like us keep up these stupid fandom debates (of course these debates are stupid, and no questions asked!)?! Apparently, the Ewok debate has lasted more than 20 years. If it ever hits 30, now Gahmah has to draw the line.
  gahmah80
Gahmah's Lair of Trauma (Blog Closed Due to Inability to Renew Hyperspace Account)
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 7:44 PM
REAL version
Are you talking about the currently canonical DVD version or are you talking about the original OT?

Well, in the currently canonical version, they both shoot just about at the same time (though, technically, Greedo still shot first).
FAN4YRS
A Rebel's Ramblings
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 7:56 PM
Currently canonical? I am talking about the version that changed the history of films, filmmaking, and how a film could leave its mark on society. That's the version that originally appeared in theaters in 1977 and periodically throughout the 1980's.
  Oboe-Wan
Oboe-Wan's Hive of Scum & Villainy
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 7:57 PM
Ewoks.... the signaled the beginning of the making of the SW movies to "appeal" to certain crowds, meaning: kids. GL realized he could create characters that kids would love, therefore kids would beg their parents to take them to the movie or to buy them the toys...

Though I didn't care much for the ewoks as a 9-year-old i've never "hated" them. The idea that primitives are important to the rebellion is greater than the little furry bodies.

  gahmah80
Gahmah's Lair of Trauma (Blog Closed Due to Inability to Renew Hyperspace Account)
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 8:04 PM
Currently canonical?
Well, according to Leland Chee, Gahmah's afraid so. Though, maybe it could be changed back to Han shooting first in the next edition. That would be okay with Gahmah, just so long as it doesn't become big issue for people to complain over.
amidalooine
The Emotional Galaxy
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 8:06 PM
Please don't cry wolf on my blogs people!

I am so sorry, FAN4YRS! I'll be good...promise. :)
FAN4YRS
A Rebel's Ramblings
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 8:22 PM
Sorry for my rant, gahmah, but I am just sick of all that.

No problem, amidalooine, but really, I'm stressed to the max already.
  jkelly
There Is No Conflict
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 8:44 PM
Like I said, amidalooine turns into Darth Ami when the Steelers loose. I suppose I should've just moved by slowly and taken a wide berth. But I couldn't sit idly by while she bad-mouthed the heroes of the saga -- which they are -- I'm a huge fan and the cartoons were awesome. I think they probably made it longer than the 3PO and R2 cartoon because of their moxy.
amidalooine
The Emotional Galaxy
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 9:04 PM
((((((FAN4YRS))))))) I'd like to be the source of a smile once in a while around these parts, not the cause of more stress.

Hang in there...

...and if you don't mind my occasional lapse into Darth Ami, I'll hang out, too. :)
  Son of a Bith
The Cantina Corner
date Posted: Oct 22, 2006 10:27 PM
Ewoks... they signaled the beginning of the making of the SW movies to "appeal" to certain crowds, meaning: kids.

Uh-huh. And ANH and ESB were very mature films, aimed at adults. Oh, such deep and dark films they were, with their droids, Jawas, tauntauns, Ugnaughts, and that little frog-man puppet with the fractured syntax.

SW has been aimed at kids since the very beginning.

:p
  gahmah80
Gahmah's Lair of Trauma (Blog Closed Due to Inability to Renew Hyperspace Account)
date Posted: Oct 23, 2006 4:48 AM
SW has been aimed at kids since the very beginning.
Exactly.
  vadersgirl33
vadersgirl_reflections
date Posted: Oct 23, 2006 4:58 AM
I loved the Ewoks since ROTJ. Loved the Ewoks movies, too. Nice blog!!!

vadersgirl33
  Jadakin
Hyperspace
date Posted: Oct 23, 2006 7:53 AM
You know I can't wait to go see all the movies in 3D in May. By the way are you going to Celebration IV.
FAN4YRS
A Rebel's Ramblings
date Posted: Oct 23, 2006 7:57 AM
Jadakin, I would LOVE to go to Celebration IV, we'll have to see how things go with the Disability situation, though. I forgot about the films being re-released in May in 3D, I am looking forward to that.
  StarWarsFanatic4
date Posted: Oct 23, 2006 6:14 PM
yeah Episode 1 did go overboard,but to all those shorties out there.,AMEN!!!!im a shorty myself and i always get made fun of for it but i just want to say,im smarter than all the kids in my grade and i am one of the most athletic kids in my school so just cause your short doesnt mean anything


MTFBWYB-)
FAN4YRS
A Rebel's Ramblings
date Posted: Oct 23, 2006 6:22 PM
That's exactly right, StarWarsFanatic4. I knew quite took it that literally, but I have no problem with that intrepretation.
  "The Ewok"
date Posted: Oct 23, 2006 6:42 PM
For some reason, friendly, furry creatures went out of styles,

What?!?! :O You lie! I refuse to accept!

Well good blog, anyways..
FAN4YRS
A Rebel's Ramblings
date Posted: Oct 23, 2006 7:18 PM
Well, I'M not that way.
  sasesq2376
date Posted: Oct 23, 2006 9:04 PM
I was 19 when ROTJ came out. I was indifferent to the Ewoks then. But now, the Ewoks seem to have been a mistake, both in appearance & as part of the plot line. As many have already said, they appealed to kids, such as my three year old son. But more importantly, having them defeat Stormtroopers is just not plausable, especially after seeing how awesome the Clones were in EP II & III. Bottom line: skipping about 5-6 Ewok chapters on the DVD of ROTJ makes for a good movie.
  The Dahaka
date Posted: Oct 24, 2006 12:43 AM
I agree with the poster the ewoks are essential, and for years too i dont get the bashing they receive, people always say like above, they should not have defeated the stormtroopers its impossible.... well excuse me what is plausible in the starwars universe?? The force? Spaceships, Little green creature called yoda? Which reminds me as yoda would say "judge me by my size do you"
topjjedimaster
date Posted: Oct 24, 2006 8:51 AM
I really have never understood why the ewok bashing, I personaly have always liked the ewoks. Return of the Jedi wouldn't have been as good of a movie without the ewoks.
  Corterville
Yoda's House of Pancakes
date Posted: Oct 24, 2006 10:48 AM
I have an idea! In the next release of the trilogy on DVD, all the Ewoks can be replaced by Gremlins. The themes of big vs. little are the same, but the added chaos would make ROTJ the best of the Star Wars movies!!!:^O
  Dark-Jedi25
Hard to see, the dark side is
date Posted: Oct 24, 2006 11:02 AM
I watched the Ewok Cartoons as a kid and loved it. I think "Ewoks" started to lose its appeal because it just ran too long without having a connection to the rest of the Star Wars universe. If they had had Storm Troopers land on the moon, it probably would have upped the interest in the show enough to keep it going a bit longer.

SO... ROTJ without Ewoks. In a litteral sense? Surely the Rebel fleet would have done a lot worse, but Luke still would have emerged from the Emperor's chambers victorious. He could have set the power settings on the main reactor on overload or something, or had his Father give a cease-fire order before croaking (or both) The results may have even been better for the aliance in the long run...
  Dark-Jedi25
Hard to see, the dark side is
date Posted: Oct 24, 2006 11:19 AM
I imagine that the Ewoks used the terrain to their advantage. They got the troopers seperated, lost, and spread out in the woods, and took most of them down a few at a time. Also, the majority of the Emperial forces were probably guarding the front gate and never made it to the battle. There was like 1 walker platoon, and maybe 2 companies of infantry at the "backdoor." The troopers didn't think that the Rebels would be able to find this backdoor and they prob wouldnt have without local scouts.

When ROTJ came out, in the real world here in Afghan, a battalion of 800 "primative" Afghans took out an entire Soviet Armor Division that had 30,000 infantry attached. I don't think it would have been impossible at all.
  Nosaj Eel
date Posted: Oct 24, 2006 11:31 AM
This will be hard for some to believe but people hated Yoda as much as Jar Jar when Empire came out. I'm talking about kids 7-16 who saw Star Wars and loved all things cute, R2 Chewie and such. But by the time they were 16-20 they hated that goofy puppet that ruined what everyone thought the Jedi should be. Now I Loved Empire and Yoda when I was 11and couldn't understand how anyone didn't think Yoda was the coolest thing ever, but when Jedi came out I thought that 'Evil Kermit' , Burping Frogs and an Army of Teddy bears ruined the movie. I was 13 and to cool for it. Star Wars is for the Kid at heart.
  eddiejones
date Posted: Oct 24, 2006 12:17 PM
I think one thing to remember is that the Ewoks didn't win the battle very easily...after the initial surprise, the Empire's troops were mowing down the little guys, until Chewie took over that scout walker, and started turning the tide of the battle. I remember a lot of Ewoks dying under the laser fire of those scout walkers, and some ineffective Ewok weaponry. Chewie helped lead them to victory.
  xoccnodd
Unlimited Power!! ....From The Desk Of Xocc Nodd
date Posted: Oct 24, 2006 1:14 PM
I'm totally with you, good blog by the way, but I still fantasize about a Return Of The Jedi with Wookiees instead of Ewoks. The theme of primitive versus technology would still be there, even though the Wookiees are less primitive than Ewoks, they still are fairly primitive when compared with the Empire and definitely more in tune with their environment. It's still hard to swallow that the little Ewoks throwing rocks could beat the Emperor's finest troops. With the Wookiees it would have been more action packed and more believable!
  xoccnodd
Unlimited Power!! ....From The Desk Of Xocc Nodd
date Posted: Oct 24, 2006 1:16 PM
Also, in spite of your points, I think the comedy could still be there, the Wookiees could still do most of what the Ewoks did as far as the some of the ways they beat the AT-ST's and such. You're right, though, there might be less comedy of Han Solo dealing with Ewoks.
FAN4YRS
A Rebel's Ramblings
date Posted: Oct 24, 2006 1:30 PM
I think the Ewoks did more than just throw rocks. Good grief yikes they had kitty-catulpts, boulders, etc. They also had spears. To me it isn't merely primitive vs. technology it's surprise vs. technology. How many troops in the 21st century are trained to fight off spears, arrows, rocks, boulders, and catipults??
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