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 | Darth Plagueis, Palpatine, and Choosen One Answers! Read! |
 is darth Plagueis real? did he really have the power to cheat death? did he really have the power to create life? does palpatine know how to use these powers? is Anakin a sith creation? if so by who? let me share with u my theories on these questions. now i tend to babble on and on, but i'll try to make this as short as possible.
-Was Darth Plagueis real?
Darth Plagueis is real. Here's the evidence:
*When Palpatine is telling the story of Darth Plagueis the wise, smiles as if remembering. "ironic isn't it? he could save others from death... but not himself." when he says this quote he has an evil grin/smile and is deep in thought about his memory of killing him. this shows that he is not just pulling the story out of his @ss.
*The archives on starwars.com state that Plagueis was indeed Palpatine's master.
-Did Darth Plagueis have the ability to create life and is Anakin a Sith creation? if he is... who created him? There is no solid proof for any of these questions, but i have 3 theories i'd like to share with you all.
Darth Plagueis had the power to create life (in my opinion and theory of course. all of this is speculation, but i'm gunna try to back it up and explain to the best of my ability why i think so). Here's my theories on if he had the power and about Anakin being a sith creation:
Theory #1: Plagueis creates Palpatine, the most evil person to ever exist. Bred of pure evil he would become one of the greatest sith with a very high medichlorian count. Plagueis teaches him all he knows and plans on taking over the galaxy with him and getting his revenge on the jedi. Soon Plagueis' plan backfires as Palpatine becomes stronger than him and Palpatine kills him. As Palpatine's power grows, the Force is forced to create a being that is very very powerful with a strong medichlorian count. The Force does this so that this new powerful being will destroy this powerful evil being. (hence the jedi prophecy). I have no evidence to support this theory, but it does go along with the jedi prophecy (for those of u who are obsessed with the prophecy) and it shows that Palpatine didnt lie about Plagueis having the ability to create life. There is also nothing that shows this is not plausible.
Theory #2: Plagueis creates Anakin. Now hold on a second for all of you who are yelling about the jedi prophecy. first of all, the prophecy does not have to be true- it was written by man, maybe even the sith wrote it to confuse the jedi! second of all just because Plagueis manipulates the medichlorians to create Anakin, doesnt mean the Force didn't create him like the prophecy says. I don't know who said it, but if John tells Bob to shoot Jane, and he does- who shot Jane. Technically Bob did, but John told him to. The same thing with the Force- Plagueis tells the force to create Anakin and the force does. Therefore, this supports that Plagueis used the force to help create Anakin, while at the same time Anakin is created by the force. Anyway... Plagueis creates Anakin (maybe even told/influenced the force create Anakin in the future). Palpatine finds out about this and seeing that he cant learn any more from Plagueis he kills him in his sleep (possibly with the help of maul?) Palpatine now does not know where Anakin is and is kicking himself for killing Plagueis before he found out where he is. Maybe he learns of Anakin's location and was about to get him, when two Jedi land on the planet and take him first (Damn you Nute Gunray!) Then when he sees Anakin at the end of Ep. I and hears of his future jedi training he is really kicking himself, but then... he develops a new plan to get him back. the rest is in the movies. Now you mite be saying to yourself "why would Plagueis create Anakin on tatooine???" Think about it- its outside the republic so the jedi wont take him away as a baby because of his high medichlorian count and he is now able to develop attachments and learn all the emotions that will help him turn later. This goes along with the prophecy as well (not as nicely as theory #1, but good enough), goes along with the tale of Darth Plagueis, and it is plausible since there is no way that it is impossible to occur (not that i can see anyway).
Theory #3: Palpatine creates Anakin: Now this might seem crazy, but hear me out. Plagueis learns the ability to create life. he tells Palpatine and then he kills him in his sleep. He has Maul as his apprentice currently, but on the side he creates Anakin for his future plan. Once again he creates him on Tatooine so that he can develop attachments (maybe he even orchestrates the landing of the jedi so they train Anakin for him). The rest is history. This theory goes along with the tale of Darth Plagueis and just like with theory #2, it goes along with the jedi prophecy, as the force is still the one creating Anakin (even though palpatine/Plagueis tells it to). Here's the evidence that makes this theory possible:
*In the original script during the Opera Scene, it was written that Palpatine said to Anakin "I used the force to influence the medichlorians to create you." Lucas then decided that this was too blunt and wanted to make it more open-ended so he revised it. This does show, however, that Lucas wanted Palpatine to have done it. (I am not sure if this is fully true though because i did not read it myself, but a friend of mine has and told me in exact words what palpatine said.)
-Did Plagueis and Palpatine have the ability to cheat death?
As for Plagueis and Palpatine being able to cheat death i believe he was able to. My theory is that he learned how to and taught it to Palpatine. Palpatine pretended to know how to, but needed Anakin's help in doing so. Palpatine pretended he knew how, but needed Anakin to become more evil so he could become strong enough to use his knowledge. Of course Palpatine was never going to teach him how too. After all he wanted Padme and her children dead so he could have Anakin all to himself (without them getting in the way or killing him). Personally i think Palpatine killed Padme with the force, but i'll write a blog about this another time. I've also heard theories that state that Palpatine used the power to cheat death to help Anakin survive after he lost to Obi-Wan.
Anyone else like my theories or agree with me on anything? I'd love to hear from you all. Please forgive any typos or slang I have made for I wrote this fairly quickly. If you dont understand something, want to hear more, or want me to explain better e-mail me at littleeagle2032@aol.com. I hope you all enjoyed my blog. Feel free to post ur theories, comments, any corrections, or any of your opinions on what I have written. May the force be with you.
P.S. I will be reposting this blog again tomorrow, since i doubt many people will be able to read this since it is 11:45 P.M. right now.
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Angus Kenobi
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date Posted: Aug 22, 2005 9:32 PM
very good blog. i think theories #1 and 3 are very, very possible, not so sure about 2 though. I think Anakin was Palps' experiment all along, not plagueis'. good observation of Palps' grin as he says "he could save others from death... but not himself"; that's good evidence. i'm not accusing you of lying, where did you find info in the SW archives saying Plagueis was Palps' master. Anyway, great blog; I'm glad I've finally read something that makes sense about Plagueis.
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SithLord0017 That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
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date Posted: Aug 22, 2005 9:42 PM
ok i found it this is the link. http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/palpatine/?id=eu
it was under palpatine. u had to go to character, palpatine, then click on the expanded universe. this is the first paragraph of the expanded universe that tells u:
No one is quite sure how Palpatine was first introduced to the power of the dark side, or how he came to be Darth Plagueis' apprentice. He is the most powerful practitioner of the Sith ways in modern times. He studied the ancient ruins on the Sith mausoleum world of Korriban. He unlocked secrets of the Force from a captured Jedi Holocron.
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Angus Kenobi
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date Posted: Aug 22, 2005 9:52 PM
ya it's under darth sidious "the movies" too. they must have added that recently or something cuz i checked about a month ago and there was no mention of plagueis. but anyway thanks and way to think out of the box with some cool and very possible theories. ps- i'm in eastern time zone too... what loyal SW fans we are researching SW stuff at 1 in the morning!
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jetsvaoe Execute order 66
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date Posted: Aug 22, 2005 9:54 PM
Great Blog! Theory #1about Palps getting created by Plagueis not sure? I doen't think he created Palps, maybe. Theory # 3 good Plagueis createing anakin, Palps gives it away in ep 3 . The prophecy could be fake but no one will ever know. I think they did have the ability to cheat death, but Palps would never tell Anakin. I agree with everything exepet Theory # 1 i'm not sure.
CJ
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Angus Kenobi
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date Posted: Aug 22, 2005 10:04 PM
also, maybe plagueis did teach palps how to cheat death and palps used it on Anakin after his battle with Obi-Wan on Mustafar possibly...? i mean, Anakin was in pretty tough shape, you know... charred and limbless and all. just a thought though. -angus out
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Qui-Gon_Glenn Qui-Gon Glenn's Musings
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date Posted: Aug 22, 2005 10:25 PM
I think I agree only in part with your first theory. I choose to believe that Darth Plagueis didn't necessarily "create" Palpatine through the Force, but I do believe that he trained him to a power far surpassing his own and perhaps more than any former Sith.
Qui-Gon Jinn talked always about the "will of the Force". I think it was in fact through that will that Anakin was created to bring forth a being that could surpass and over power even Palpatine. It was necessary for the Force to create Anakin so that albeit through encouragement of his son, he could finally kill Palpatine in the end.
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Qui-Gon_Glenn Qui-Gon Glenn's Musings
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date Posted: Aug 22, 2005 10:26 PM
I think that the part about Plagueis being "...so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create life" was perhaps an exaggeration on the part of Palpatine to support his following statement of, "He had such a knowledge of the Dark Side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying." It was necessary for Palpatine to convince Anakin that there was a way for him to stop his wife's perceived death.
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Qui-Gon_Glenn Qui-Gon Glenn's Musings
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date Posted: Aug 22, 2005 10:27 PM
The Revenge of the Sith novelization reads: "According to the legend, " Palpatine said, "he could directly influence the midi-chlorians to create life; with such knowledge, to maintain life in someone already living would seem a small matter, don't you agree?" This supports the "stretching the truth" theory that I am putting forth because Palpatine needs to convince Anakin that someone who could so easily create life could also prevent death. Something that Anakin do desperately wants to achieve.
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Qui-Gon_Glenn Qui-Gon Glenn's Musings
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date Posted: Aug 22, 2005 10:27 PM
Now, I certainly wouldn't want to presuppose what Lucas' intent was for bringing up the fact that Plagueis could manipulate midi-chlorians to bring forth life, but I just think that the evidence is not strong enough to conclude that he ever did or in fact could.
While I agree whith the evidence that he was Palpatine's mentor and teacher, I think the story that the Chancellor tells Anakin of The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise is more manipulative maneuvering to bring Anakin over to the Dark Side and nothing more.
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yoda's master apprentice The most foolish Jedi Master
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date Posted: Aug 23, 2005 12:27 AM
well I like it but I don't think maul would have helped palpatine but all up they were very good P.S I think QUI-GON Gleen liked them lolololololololololololol
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jedimasterreh
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date Posted: Aug 23, 2005 1:03 AM
i agree with theory #3. since palpatine is the master munipulator and puppeteer i think that he created anakin and orcastrated all the events of the prequel trilogy. i is possible that he used his power to cheat death to save anakin but then again if he had used that power would anakin have needed a mechanical lung and all?
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SithLord0017 That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
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date Posted: Aug 23, 2005 9:34 AM
thank you all for commenting! as for jedimasterreh- about anakin being saved by palpatine and still needing a medical lung: palpatine could have saved anakin from death, but not healed his lungs. like maybe he was just keeping him alive and pro-longing his death, but like i sed its just speculation and theories, we'll never really know. thanks again to u all!
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DarthMaulcullick
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date Posted: Aug 23, 2005 11:20 PM
I agree what you said about prophecies. prophecies seem to always be read in a sense that you believe they will help you, Lestat (Ineterview with a vampire) says it best evil is a point of view. so I got to go with #2 with some exceptions.
1. I think that Palp didn't learn everything from Plag. because Palp says to Anakin that they would work together to find out how to save Padme.
2. also I think Plag made the mistake of underestimating Palp and told him of his plans
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SithLord0017 That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
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date Posted: Aug 24, 2005 2:37 PM
DarthMaulcullick- as for what you sed about palpatine not learning everything from plagueis because of how he told Anakin they had to work together: we dont know if he knew how to cheat death, but even if he did know he wouldnt have told Anakin because then Padme would live and she would get in the way- Anakin would put her first over Palpatine and Palpatine would have less control over Anakin. This is why reguardless of whether he knew or not, he bullsh*tted Anakin saying that they had to work together. I agree with ur 2. about plagueis underestimating palpatine as sed in my theory. thanks for commenting!
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smokey3779 Jedi Master Smokey
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date Posted: Aug 25, 2005 5:26 PM
i'm really curious as to what your source was that told you that Palpatine was originally going to tell Anakin he had created him but Lucas took it out. i've heard that before but i've never heard anything from Lucas implying that he had to change the script and that his original intentions were to have Anakin created by the sith. did i miss something or....something? lol. anyway, i was just thinking how suprising it would have been if Palpatine had said that to Anakin. it would have been a 'Luke, i am your father' all over again.
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SithLord0017 That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
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date Posted: Aug 26, 2005 7:36 PM
lol... i didnt really hear it myself, but i read in a blog somewhere that in the book "The Making of Episode III" it says it or something. i also heard other interesting things about the Mace vs. Palpatine battle. i'm gunna try to get it and read it. if i ever do i will be sure to let you all know.
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Sith_Lord_Duji
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date Posted: Aug 28, 2005 5:01 PM
They should make a book of the history of Palpatine. From the beginning of his life to the end and all his secrets! COMON!! PLEASEE! Common George it would be wicked  lol
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Sith_Lord_Duji
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date Posted: Aug 28, 2005 5:01 PM
Who agrees? lol
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SithLord0017 That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
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date Posted: Aug 28, 2005 5:31 PM
lol yea it would. hes purposely not telling us so we can speculate for ourselves as to what happenned with everything (which is the whole point of these blogs after all), but i think he should tell us somehow in the tv series or in a book he writes maybe in a few years. so he should write a book or tell us, but i wouldnt count on it.
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Sunnyskywalker Sunnyskywalker's Star Wars Stuff
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date Posted: Sep 07, 2005 11:29 PM
Now I'm imagining Sidious going, "WHAT? You mean you let the Jedi, the Queen, AND the kid escape from Tatooine? *very un-senatorial language*"
You've got several interesting possibilities here. I guess we should thank Lucas for giving us the opportunity to hypothesize and debate about this very murky issue...but then we should try to pin him down on an answer!
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StrongInForth
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date Posted: Sep 14, 2005 9:58 PM
I think our friend Palpy does a good job of BS (besides the hint, he killed his master, of course). The goal is to manipulate Anakin. The catch is in small detail:
"he could save others from death... but not himself." and "He had such a knowledge of the Dark Side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying." I am having a problem to imagine a benevolent Sith Lord in a hosptal staying and CARING about.. whom? Apprentice? GF? A sick hamster? Isn't a CARING Sith an oxymoron, Palpy's improvistaion just for Anakin? Otherwise very likely Plagueis was having some partial success. Palpy wanted to take over the experiments. So he did what a Sith would do - BEFORE his master is too strong.
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StrongInForth
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date Posted: Sep 14, 2005 10:11 PM
Regarding CARING Sith (about his mom), talktive Sith, hysterical Sith, Sith going inside pants of a well-known political leader, Sith making baby(es) to said political leader.... and the worst, Sith who actually seem to care about said political personality and baby(es). I am imagining myself being Palps and observing a good number of potential apprentices. Anyone with ANY of above quality would be probably disqualified as potential Sith on the spot - regardles, does he has one or one million midi-whatevers in his blood. How about someone with ALL of above?!?
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StrongInForth
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date Posted: Sep 14, 2005 10:43 PM
To Sunnyskywalker:
Now I am imaging Sidious thinking:
That kid... What a treasure for me!
- He hides very important machinery from his master
- He does not trust his master, but trusts the first cute girl he never seen before
- He can't keep his mouth shut
- He loves his mom
- The smile of THAT cute girl from an early age instantly clouds his vision
Several years later, still Palps thinking:
- He disobeys his order and goes after THAT girl again and lands up marrying her
- He disobeys his order and goes after his mom
- He has issues with his master
- He can quicly lose his temper, and if if there is a mental trouble he runs to get comforted by his wife.
All this will make him a perfect Sith, hooray!
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Sunnyskywalker Sunnyskywalker's Star Wars Stuff
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date Posted: Nov 01, 2005 11:17 PM
I want to add that the "John tells Bob to shoot Jane" analogy is great. That's exactly the sort of situation the Jedi (and a lot of fans) overlook: the Force doesn't have to do a thing directly to still be responsible for it.
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Sunnyskywalker Sunnyskywalker's Star Wars Stuff
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date Posted: Nov 01, 2005 11:17 PM
To StrongInForth: Palpatine will have to work harder to shield his thoughts from you! That was great!
I can also imagine him thinking, "Hmm, this girl is capable and yet easy to manipulate. She falls in love with a guy she's known for about a week, betrays her principles to marry him in secret, will forgive him for just about anything, and finally proves she's willing to consider an alternative to the Republic...if I could just get over her knee-jerk reaction to dictatorship--which should be easy given her boundless optimism and blind love for Anakin--she would be a powerful ally...and if that doesn't work out, at least I can use her death to manipulate Anakin some more!"
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SithLord0017 That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
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date Posted: Nov 02, 2005 1:58 PM
as for what you said about "if I could just get over her knee-jerk reaction to dictatorship--which should be easy given her boundless optimism and blind love for Anakin--she would be a powerful ally...and if that doesn't work out, at least I can use her death to manipulate Anakin some more!"- good point and i think that he was actually the one who killed her. if u wanna read about this theory its under How Palpatine Killed Padme. (under my sith archives link).
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SithLord0017 That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
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date Posted: Nov 02, 2005 1:59 PM
I also have another blog about how he (palpatine) put the dream Anakin had about Padme in his head (another words, anakin's dream is a sith illusion instead of a jedi dream). This blog is under the title of Palpatine put Anak'in's Dream in his head (under my sith archives link) in case you wanna check it out. thanks for commenting!
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dlove1
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date Posted: Nov 21, 2005 2:40 PM
I like theory one, impressive MOST impressive. Because Qui-Gonn says in EP1 it is possible he was conceived by the midi-Chlorians, which apparently the prophecy says is supposed to happen. The reason that you gave for that ....would be cooooooool. Surrely a Sith manipulating the force to create evil life, would be a disturbance and the Force itself creating a being to counteract that...delicious.
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Viceroy Middleton
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date Posted: Jan 02, 2006 2:42 PM
Great blog. Any theory could work. Great job thinking up all those theories. I probably like the one with Palpatine creating Anakin best, however.
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DarthScan066
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date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 1:51 PM
Great blog Ant... You really look too much into this stuff though. Great theories though... it's crazy.
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Fish1941
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date Posted: Jan 05, 2007 8:47 AM
I think that the Force created Anakin. Remember . . . the Force is a combination of all that is dark and light and Anakin best exemplify this.
Palpatine never had the ability to create life. After his death, it was discovered that he had arranged for a cloning facility to create a clone of himself. He used science, not the Force.
If Plagueis had the ability to create life or cheat death, why would he even bother to create Anakin, when he could simply extend his own life?
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SithLord0017 That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
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date Posted: Jan 05, 2007 1:07 PM
1. After his death, it was discovered that he had arranged for a cloning facility to create a clone of himself. -DO NOT INCLUDE EU IN HERE! these theories are based off of the MOVIES and very few books.
2. plagueis couldnt extend his life if palpatine was stabbing his heart with a saber could he? exactly that part of ur comment dont work.
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Fish1941
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date Posted: Jan 08, 2007 9:12 AM
DO NOT INCLUDE EU IN HERE! these theories are based off of the MOVIES and very few books.
No where in the movie did it state that Plagueis or Palpatine had created Anakin. Please don't bring up the Opera scene, because all it hinted was that Plagueis may or may not have had the ability to manipulate life . . . or that Palpatine may know how to save Padme from dying. That's it.
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ditzfough
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date Posted: Mar 22, 2007 2:23 PM
i love your theorys i think maybe all of them hold some kinda fact. keep up the deep thinking my fellow jedi. may the Force be with you.
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solrac_darkcube
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date Posted: May 30, 2007 10:09 PM
I dont believe that any jedi or sith is one with the force to the point where he or she can cheat death and reanimate the dead. To believe this would mean that one was divine or godly, and if so why didnt Plaugis use such great knowledge to destroy the jedi from the start? Why didnt he foresee his own murder? I would say if you can bring someone to life, then predicting the future would be a piece of cake.
As much as a sith would like to believe he can control and minipulate the force he cannot.
The Force has allways exited and in the begining created everything. it chooses who it will inhabit and will be the one the in control. blah blah blah
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