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 How Palpatine Killed Padme!
I have a theory, that me and my brother have come up with over the past few months about how Palpatine killed Padme. Before you jump on me, let me tell you his motives.
*If Padme lived, she would try to influence Anakin to either kill Palpatine or make him change his beliefs/policies (such as the empire)
*If Padme lived, Anakin would put her first and Palpatine Second. He would not have complete control over Anakin anymore.
*as obi-wan tells luke in episode vi "the emperor knew as i did- if Anakin were to have any offspring, they would be a threat to him (the emperor)" this means both emotionally and physically threatening.
Knowing this... do u think palpatine would really let padme and her unborn children live??? now dont give me that "she died of a broken heart" SHE HAD 2 UNBORN CHILDREN IN HER!!! SHE WOULD NOT JUST KILL HERSELF WITHOUT GIVING BIRTH FIRST!!! (the droid sed they needed to operate quickly to save the babies meaning she would be killing herself and the babies and i doubt she would do that on purpose) now knowing this lets look at how Palpatine killed her. What force powers allow a persons life force to drop and as the droid sed "her reasons we can't explain... we are loosing her." hm... FORCE DRAIN, perhaps? Palpatine forced drained her to death. Luckily, she was able to give birth to luke and leia first. (maybe Palpatine drained her life and gave it to Anakin to keep him alive? remember he put his hand just over Anakins head after the Mustafar battle. Maybe thats when he did it?)
i know this theory is a stretch and it is all speculation, but this is just my theory on what might have happenned. i really cant see her killing herself with 2 babies still in her. your all welcome to post your comments or e-mail me at littleeagle2032@aol.com. May the foce be with us all.
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PrincessJessieSkywalker
The Tatooine Dream
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date Posted: Aug 23, 2005 10:32 AM
This is one major thing that people still don't have an answer on...Why did Padme really die? This is a good speculation. I like this theory. Palpy definately had motive to, it would have been too dangerous for him if she had survived. Good job.
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darksteeldemon
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date Posted: Aug 23, 2005 3:44 PM
A big reason why you are wrong....ok here we go. The emperor wanted vader to have no offspring, that was obvious, as obi wan states that he knew the offspring would affect vader. So if he really did kill padme, he would have done it quickly to restore anakin quickly, and kill padme fast enough...he is a powerful sith lord it should be easy, but then again he probably didn't kill her.... 
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SithLord0017
That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
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date Posted: Aug 23, 2005 3:48 PM
true... i've thought of that, but maybe because she was so far away he wasnt able to kill her fast enough. in fact, remember if they didnt operate they would have lost the babies. maybe he didnt know she was in the hands of the jedi at a medical facility and going to be operated on.
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darksteeldemon
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date Posted: Aug 23, 2005 3:59 PM
He can sense anakin from coruscant at mustafar, he can sense padme on mustafar to a planet that is in between coruscant and mustafar.....and palpy has great power, the movies just don't unleash it yet......so palpy prolly didn't kill her.
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darksteeldemon
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date Posted: Aug 23, 2005 4:28 PM
anakin was alive without him for a while.....also wouldn't the jedi have sensed his presense?
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SithLord0017
That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
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date Posted: Aug 23, 2005 6:40 PM
yes, but anakin would not have lived much longer if palpatine didnt come as soon as he did. plus we dont know how long it takes to force drain the life out of someone (which is what i believe he was using- force drain). so maybe he tried to kill her as fast as he could using force drain (it was not long after padme and obi-wan left mustafar that she died. as soon as palpatine realized anakin was hurt and landed on mustafar, he decided this was the perfect time to kill her and pretend it was child-birth related.
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Qui-Gon_Glenn
Qui-Gon Glenn's Musings
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date Posted: Aug 23, 2005 7:25 PM
I love the theory, for the most part because I too have always hated the "she died of a broken" heart theory. I think that the reason that Palpatine was unable to kill her quickly though might have resulted from his distraction of Anakin dying. Palpatine knew that despite the fact that he could sustain Anakin for the short term it was necessary to get Lord Vader to a medical facility in order to sustain him for the long haul.. Great speculation here SithLord0017, I will meditate on this further.
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Rayten
Rayten's Realm
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date Posted: Aug 25, 2005 11:13 PM
Vader killed Padme. Vader did so when he force-choked her on Mustafa. It's that very action which killed her. As to why the med droids couldn't detect what the cause is, it's because their medical equipment can't sense stuff related to the Force. She was the first victim of Vader's infamous force choke. She didn't die immedieatly cause Vader didn't apply much pressure to it.
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Rayten
Rayten's Realm
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date Posted: Aug 25, 2005 11:13 PM
You are right in saying that Palpatine would have motives to kill Padme, but whatever plan it was, he never got to carry it out, as Vader himself accidentally killed her before Palpy got to carry out his plan, whatever it was.
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Rayten
Rayten's Realm
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date Posted: Aug 25, 2005 11:15 PM
I'm 110% certain that Lucas' decree is that Vader killed her. It makes more story sense, especially when we're talking about themes, which Lucas is fond of. He turned to the dark side mainly to save her, he would do anything to save her, but the thing is because he was so caught up in his quest to save her, Vader ended up killing her instead of saving her.
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Rayten
Rayten's Realm
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date Posted: Aug 25, 2005 11:16 PM
Besides, if as you say, Palpy killed her using Force-drain, when did this happen? It must have been over a really long distance and Palpy isn't really that powerful. If he is, he would have been able to sense where Padme was when she gave birth, and that she had twins in her, and where the Jedi and Bail took them after she died.
And I'm sure that whatever Palpatine's plan was to kill her, it wouldn't involve Palpy himself actually commiting the act himself. Just not his style. He would hire someone to do it.
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SithLord0017
That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
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date Posted: Aug 26, 2005 7:18 AM
hm... i actually thought about vader killing padme. if he did kill her it wasnt with the force choke. after he chokes her... obi-wan feels padme and she's still alive. also force choke makes you choke so you cant breathe or talk. if a very quick way to kill someone, it doesnt take a long time, so i dont think he killed her that wasy, but it is possible he killed her though.
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SithLord0017
That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
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date Posted: Aug 26, 2005 7:18 AM
(maybe he was concentrating and thinking of her so much when he was in pain and anger from what happened that he actually drew her power and strength from her. maybe this is how she felt that there was still good in him because she felt his good when he took her power from her somehow. this is even more of a stretch, however.) however she died these are all good theories.
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SithLord0017
That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
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date Posted: Aug 26, 2005 7:19 AM
palpatine definitely wanted to kill her though and he had to wait until Anakin was fully bad and wait until Anakin was pre-occupied to realize what was going on. hence the reason palpatine may have done it when Anakin was half dead on Mustafar. plus if Palpatine did kill her, he has an excuse "oh yea vader i forgot to tell you... when u choked Padme... she kinda died." (obvioiusly he doesnt say it that way i was just trying to make a joke out of it, but seriously he has an excuse to use so Vader wouldnt know he did it).
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smokey3779
Jedi Master Smokey
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date Posted: Aug 26, 2005 4:36 PM
when it comes to the theory that Anakin's choke hold had killed her, i think it's very ironic and a great idea, but the Dr. Droid says something to the effect 'physically she is fine.' and in the book when Obi Wan asks if they can do anything else for her, to keep her alive, he is told 'all organic damage has been repaired.'
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smokey3779
Jedi Master Smokey
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date Posted: Aug 26, 2005 4:36 PM
when it comes to the 'she has lost the will to live' theory, i'd have to go with this one. not because realistically it makes sense but because Lucas is a romantic and this is as romantic as it gets. dying of a broken heart. anakin may not have killed her with his choke hold but he killed her when he turned against her. in the book, after having given birth to the twins she constantly says Anakin's name and that she's sorry, and she loves him. the last thing she says before she dies is: 'Obi Wan, there is still good in him. I know there is still....' Anakin was obviously on her mind. a broken heart seems about right, but that's just my opinion.
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Massa_Anakin
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date Posted: Aug 26, 2005 7:57 PM
but he did not kill her or his kids when he has the chance, and when he saw Luke dying from force lightning he killed palp, so he did have some good in him
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Sith_Lord_Duji
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date Posted: Aug 28, 2005 4:33 PM
Vader kill Padme? HAHAHA. Vader joined palpy just to save her from his 20 second dream that he didnt know ifi t was going to ocme true or not lol. but then he kills her? even tho she was the reason he joined the sith. ROFL and then at the end he asks "wheres Padme". This is just the funniest thing ive ever heard .
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Sith_Lord_Duji
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date Posted: Aug 28, 2005 4:34 PM
thats the only reason why i didnt like the 3rd episode as much as return of the jedi, RETURN OF THE JEDI ROX!
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Rayten
Rayten's Realm
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date Posted: Aug 28, 2005 7:17 PM
Obviously, Sith_Lord_Duji doesn't know the meaning of the term "irony".
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Sith_Lord_Duji
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date Posted: Aug 28, 2005 10:08 PM
i didnt say Vader killed her im saying why would he choke her if she was the reason he joined -- to protect her
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beyonddarkness
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date Posted: Sep 23, 2005 10:23 AM
I think both theories make sense... that Palpy killed her and also that Vader killed her...
Anyways she's dead now so this topic is pointless and justs brings back the bad memory of how Anakin destroyed himself, the Jedis and the love of his life...
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SithLord0017
That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
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date Posted: Sep 23, 2005 2:15 PM
yea but wouldnt it be fun to try and make up speculation and figure out why she really did die? of course we'll never really know unless lucas announces it to every1 which wont happen cuz he doesnt have the time and wants us to speculate. neway thanks for commenting and hope you enjoyed my blog and theory.
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jetsvaoe
Execute order 66
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date Posted: Sep 24, 2005 8:45 PM
Great Blog!!!!!
I agree with every thing
It makes perfect sense, Palps knew that Padme had to die or Anakin would have no reason to turn, and Pals knew if Anakin had any offspring's it would be a threat to his plan so he had to kill the one he loved and his children, he succeed in killing Padme but he didn't kill the kids. Palps was to sure in himself and his apprentice to even consider that the kids might have lived
CJ
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dlove1
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date Posted: Oct 18, 2005 10:55 AM
I agree.
I think the "Force Power" that Anakin wanted to learn (stopping death) has a catch to it.
I think you have to TAKE a life from another source.
Ie: Palpatine (who has LEARNED this Power from Plageus) uses the trick to stop Anakin from dying.
As Padme is the closest / strongest emotional attachment he has Anakin is a conduit to her...so her life is ebbed. Perhaps the fact that she was already injured made it an easier trick to perform.
It would explain why the Jedi don't seek this force power (there must be something negative to it) and imagine: the power you sought to learn to save someone you love...is the very power used to take the life of one you love....in order to save YOU.
Delicious Irony.
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dlove1
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date Posted: Oct 18, 2005 10:58 AM
Palpatine's absence
I don't think it's a coincedence that the scenes of Padme's death and Anakin's birth run parrallel in the movie.
Anakin's heartbeat grows STRONGER as Padme's ekg blip grows weaker. (Sound effects serve a purpose)
Also...Palpatine is not in the shot as Vader is being built into the suit so we CAN"T see what he is doing at the time.
Hmmmm.....
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SithLord0017
That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
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date Posted: Oct 18, 2005 12:35 PM
The first link sends u to my blog on whether Palpatine and Plagueis had the power to cheat death and describes whether Anakin was the choosen one or a sith creation. The second link sends u to my blog on Light Side vs. Dark Side (both can prolong life/ live forever- check it out its really good). If you want I also wrote a blog on how Palpatine might have planted Anakin's dreams in his head (Anakins dreams really being a sith illusion instead of a jedi dream). The link to that blog is: http://blogs.starwars.com/sith-archives66/4/comments .
I suggest you check them all out. Enjoy those blogs and thanks again for commenting and agreeing.
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dlove1
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date Posted: Nov 21, 2005 12:26 PM
@Sith Lord
No Problem, I will check it out. I thought the same thing myself. I saw the film 10 times but it was only about the 5th time when it dawned on me. The line "it seems in your anger YOU killed her" always bothered me because I knew it wasn't true and nobody else blamed Anakin,...not even Obi-Wan who saw the force choke. It would have been very easy to just say Anakin's force choke got away from him and he killed Padme but instead...the droid gives his line. Thus started my investigation. The fact hat we both came up with the exact same theory shows that it is a little more obvious than some may want to admit.
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dlove1
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date Posted: Nov 21, 2005 12:37 PM
It was about the kids. When Obi-Wan says in Ep6 "The Emperor *KNEW* as I did that if Anakin was to have any offspring they would be a threat to him" it parallels sidious saying "if any Jedi were to remain it would be civil war unendin". What would an evil Sith Lord do to PREVENT such a threat? No brainer. The actual tipoff is Anakin killing the YOUNGLINGS (also eventual threats) and Obi-Wan mentioning ito Padme (i have seena security hologram of him ..."killing younglings") In actuality the hologram showed other Jedi..not younglings), yet YOUNGLINGS are all that Obi mentions to Padme. Palpatine was after the KIDS. (part of order 66 ie" Jedi Purge) Padme was made to LOOK pregnant at her funeral to make the Emperor think he succeeded.
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SithLord0017
That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
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date Posted: Nov 21, 2005 2:25 PM
dlove 1- thanks for commenting again and and following up and reading my other blogs. my friend was always mad that she looked like she was still pregnant at the end and one day i read a blog explaining about how they made her look like that to deceive sidious on purpose, but i guess i never linked the two theories together or if i did i forgot about it so thanks for that comment. when i finally get hyperspace around christmas i will edit this blog and put ur comment in it (i'll give u credit of course). thanks again!
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dlove1
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date Posted: Nov 22, 2005 10:14 AM
Anytime Sith. (LOL never thought I'd be saying that)
Jedi Rule! Long live the Jedi!!!!!..............
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Darthruler99
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date Posted: Dec 31, 2005 5:32 PM
AWESOME! (repeat word 10 times) From now on, I will aplaud any great blog! 
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Viceroy Middleton
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date Posted: Jan 02, 2006 2:46 PM
If your other blog about the Sith Illusion could work, then so can this one. Great blog. Definately possible. Never liked how she died in the movie and this is a little cooler of a theory, though I dont know if this is what Lucas intended, but great job thinking of this theory. I know I would do that if I was Palpatine.
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dlove1
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date Posted: Jan 09, 2006 1:37 PM
One Step closer.....
"It was at these moments of Skywalker's greatest confusion that Palpatine opened up to him. During a quiet conversation at the Galaxies Opera House, Palpatine recounted an old Sith legend of Darth Plagueis the Wise. Palpatine explained that Plagueis, a Sith Lord, had abilities that some would describe as unnatural. ****LIKE AN ANCIENT ALCHEMIST, HE COULD COAX LIFE OUT OF MIDI-CHLORIANS, EITHER FOR THE PURPOSE OF CREATING NEW LIFE, OR STAVING OFF DEATH IN OTHERS.**** This was the promised power of the Sith, suggested Palpatine. Anakin, who had been searching for a way to prevent Padmé from dying, listened intently." - END QUOTE
Source: http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/anakinskywalker/
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SithLord0017
That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
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date Posted: Jan 09, 2006 2:13 PM
Just to let everyone know I ran out of space for comments on this blog and so I deleted some comments (there were 3 which I deleted, all of which were mine and were little things like thank you's). I will repost two of the three comments in this comment and the next comment. There should still be adequate space for anyone else to comment.
Jetsvaoe (Chris)- thanks for commenting and agreeing. And, yes your right, he was blinded by his arrogance in thinking they had died. I shall right a blog about how his arrogance led to his downfall, just like the Jedi's arrogance led to their downfall later.
Viceroy Middleton (Mike)- Thanks for following up on the blogs and agreeing and commenting.
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SithLord0017
That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
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date Posted: Jan 09, 2006 2:21 PM
dlove1- you certainly surprised me commenting again. Very interesting... I think it would fit more so under the Plageious blog, unless you meant that he "could stave off death" in Padme (meaning kill her). Would be interested in hearing if that's what you meant and if not then what you did mean. Thanks for commenting again.
BTW to anyone reading this, if it is full and you cannot comment, come back sometime later in the day or the following day, as I will be checking up on this blog and deleting insignificant comments, making sure everyone can comment on it. (NOTE: As of right now only one more comment may be entered).
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dlove1
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date Posted: Jan 11, 2006 10:40 AM
****LIKE AN ANCIENT ALCHEMIST, HE COULD COAX LIFE OUT OF MIDI-CHLORIANS, EITHER FOR THE PURPOSE OF CREATING NEW LIFE, OR STAVING OFF DEATH IN OTHERS.****
I meant it sounds like they are almost admitting our theory. As in (coax life out of Padme's midiclorians inorder to "stave off death" in Anakin") what Plageus and Sidious cannot do is CREATE midiclorians. And as Qui-Gonn tells us in Ep1 without the midichlorians life could not exist.
Which brings something else to light...Anakin's midichlorian count it was the HIGHEST. Padme's count must nbe significantly less than even a weak Jedi. Coaxing life out of her midichlorians would certainly render her...dead.
"For reasons we can't explain,..we are losing her"
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SithLord0017
That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
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date Posted: Jan 11, 2006 1:57 PM
dlove1- thanks for following up. I figured you meant something about Padme loosing life, but could not figure out how you meant to prove it in that quote, but now I understand. Anyway thanks for researching and supporting the theory. Very interesting about Palpatine taking life from Padme to allow Anakin to live... thought of this shortly after making this blog, don't know if I included it in a comment or not, however.
Had to delete another comment (one which merely stated thank you) which I will post below:
Thanks for reading and commenting Qui-Gon Glenn!
P.S. I will be posting a Part II to this blog allowing more people to comment later in the week.
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clone1camander1vincent
Vinnys army of Republic blogs
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date Posted: May 13, 2006 9:33 AM
just to add to those motives i dont know but i dont think that know that vader is a sith he cant be married plus padme was going to help lead the rebelion it would be a whole rebelion family luke leia and padme
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kyle228
Truly Wonderful, the Mind of a Child Is...
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date Posted: Dec 29, 2006 12:20 PM
interesting theory, but as you said, it's all speculation. This does explain it a little bit, but I have my doubts. I don't think Padmé killed herself because she had a broken heart - maybe she just died because of her broken heart. Nowhere does it say that she consciously killed herself.
Other than that, your theory stands!
MTFBWY
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Fish1941
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date Posted: Jan 05, 2007 8:52 AM
Palpatine did not kill Padme. It is possible that she died of a broken heart.
Knowing this... do u think palpatine would really let padme and her unborn children live??? now dont give me that "she died of a broken heart" SHE HAD 2 UNBORN CHILDREN IN HER!!! SHE WOULD NOT JUST KILL HERSELF WITHOUT GIVING BIRTH FIRST!!!
I really do not understand why people find this hard to accept. So what if she had two unborn children? Padme had suffered a series of major blows and disappointments, culminating in Anakin's attack upon her. People are quite capable of sinking into despair and depression. And I don't care how "strong-willed" they are. Why humans have a hard time accepting this, is beyond me.
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