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That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
date posted: Aug 18, 2006 12:11 PM
Was Dooku Really a Sith? Was he truly Evil?
Was Dooku really a Sith? Was he really Evil?

Evil- the quality of being morally bad or wrong; wickedness.
Sith- The most common use of the word applies to a cult of warrior priests devoted to the dark side of the Force, serving as the evil counterparts of the Jedi Knights. They seek to use their power to take advantage of others for personal gain.


Knowing the definition of Sith, it is clear that Dooku is a real Sith, as he takes advantage of people and causes a huge war so he could take over the galaxy. Now the next question is, was Dooku evil? In order to determine this, let's look at what some other Sith Lords have done:

Darth Revan and Malak- Responsible for the killing of countless civilians, troops, and Jedi. Nearly destroyed the Republic.
Darth Maul- Was raised from birth to be naturally evil and an assassin, who is responsible for countless deaths of innocent people.
Darth Vader- Responsible for the Jedi purge, deaths of millions of own comrades, other troops, Jedi, and innocent civilians.
Darth Sidious- Same as Vader, except lied and manipulated the entire galaxy to take control of it. A true Sith and pure evil.


Now lets review what Dooku did as Sith Lord: he started a war, which caused many civilians deaths, worlds to be devastated, and paved the way for the Jedi purge and fall of the Republic, as well as corrupted many politicians.

After reviewing Dooku's actions and all of those other Sith Lords, I watched Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith and noticed something that caught my eye... Dooku, never has Sith eyes in either two movies at any time. Now obviously the movie explanation is because Lee is meant to portray such a sophisticated character and it would not look right having Dooku have these yellow eyes... it would completely destroy the image of Dooku, but the in-universe explanation, might be the fact that Dooku really isn't that evil of a man. He's still a Sith because he's using his advantages over others for personal gain, but what has he personally done that can be construed as evil? I really cannot think of anything too serious that he personally did that was a pure evil act (you'll see why I am contradicting myself later in the blog, just have patience). In fact, I believe it's possible he had some other motives in the actions he took as a Sith.

Now I hope you've all read my Sith vs. Jedi Philosophy blog, titled "Good is a point of view Anakin...", but if not it can be found here. Now if you haven't read it I suggest you do before you continue reading. It is a rather long entry, but not too long and it is very insightful. Many have left good comments as well so check it out.

Now that we know my feelings on all that, the question becomes not was Dooku really evil, but rather, did Dooku have good intentions? Listen to some of these quotes by Dooku to Obi-wan in Episode II:

"I wish he were still alive (Qui-gon)... I could use his help right about now"

... after Obi-wan says he'd never join him (if he were still alive):

"Don't forget that he was once my apprentice, just as you were once his... he knew all about the corruption in the Senate, but would never had gone along with it if he had learned the truth as I have."

... shortly later:

"The Dark Side of the Force has clouded their vision my friend... what if I told you that hundreds of Senators are now under the influence of a Sith Lord called, Darth Sidious"

... after Obi-wan doubts him:

"The Viceroy of the Trade Federation was once in league with this Darth Sidious... but 10 years ago he came to me for help and told me everything..."

Now obviously he is just trying to lure Obi-wan to help him kill Sidious and allow himself to rise to be Master at which point if Obi-wan tried to stop him and/or wouldn't join him he would just dispose of him quickly, but is it possible that there was some truth in what he said. Is it possible deep down he thought there was a chance to save the Order and the Republic... that he truly believed, along with Qui-gon, that the Senate was too corrupt and needed to be humbled and felt that the only way to save the Republic was to destroy it and possibly rebuild it?

I that's exactly what he thought. Now before you crucify me hear me out...my theory is that Dooku's initial intentions were good, but by the time the war started (right about after he fought Yoda) he was so corrupted by the dark side that he craved power and had developed into a true Sith. In fact, as soon as Obi-wan says he'll never join him, Dooku seems saddened, not just because of loosing a possible Sith disciple/apprentice, but also loosing a friend and ally in humbling and correcting the corrupt Republic.

Summary: I proved Dooku was a true Sith and eventually became truly evil, but also posed a theory that perhaps he initially had good intentions and wanted to help the Republic by destroying it, but then became too corrupt by the Dark Side and then wanted power like Sidious.

Comments are welcome, but please no bashing. These are just theories, I am not saying they are correct or incorrect in any way. Any other questions? E-mail me at LittleEagle2032@aol.com.

P.S. I did not mention Dooku killing his former best friend and master, Sifo-Dyas for a reason. Yes, this was an evil action down personally and I believe this was the gateway that Sidious used to get to him to start down the Dark Path., similarly to how he made Anakin kill Dooku to take his first steps towards the Dark Side, and how he wanted Luke to kill Vader as his first steps towards the Dark Side, but I believe it's possible he still had some good intentions up until the start of the war.

  Qui-Tom Servo loves Padme
You Must Unlearn What You Have Learned
date Posted: Aug 18, 2006 12:23 PM
Thoughtful entry. I recommend reading Yoda: Dark Rendevous as it deals with some of Dooku's regrets. Being a Sith means being alone. I think Dooku had some regrets about what he had done, but was too afraid to try and come back. The look on his face when Palpatine orders Anakin to kill him is tragic. He realizes that he has finally been betrayed and that all he did was for nothing. Whatever motives he may have had(political idealist) for leaving the Order were wiped out when he joined the Sith.
  DarthBlonde92
At Last We Will Reveal Ourselves to the Jedi..
date Posted: Aug 18, 2006 12:35 PM
good way to put it Qui-tom! .........yeah I think Dooku knew what he was doing! He's evil... dunn dun dun!!
  DevlenPiett
Star Wars Historical Forum
date Posted: Aug 18, 2006 12:43 PM
Good Blog. I don't think the eyes have anything to do with being sith. Palpatine was sith yet his eyes remained a natural color. Anakin we see his yellow eyes yet later when we see him meet Padme a fight Obi-Wan they are his natural color as well.
  usetheforce19
MasterMonkey13
date Posted: Aug 18, 2006 12:44 PM
Summary: I proved Dooku was a true Sith and eventually became truly evil, but also posed a theory that perhaps he initially had good intentions and wanted to help the Republic by destroying it, but then became too corrupt by the Dark Side and then wanted power like Sidious.

Sounds good to me.

May the Force be with us all! God bless!
  darthapple34
date Posted: Aug 18, 2006 1:17 PM
Great blog with good points.

It is possible that Dooku had good intentions until his death. Palpatine had good intentions in making the Empire. George Lucas states in commentaries and interviews that Sidious really thought the Empire was good. Sidious did not see himself as evil. He really thought that the Empire would help the Galaxy and its people.

"Once more the Sith will rule the Galaxy, and we shall have peace." Sidious
"Nobody who is evil thinks they are evil." George Lucas

The Sith did not believe they were evil, but rather they just had a better way to secure the Galaxy while helping themselves at the same time.

  FAN4YRS
A Rebel's Ramblings
date Posted: Aug 18, 2006 1:21 PM
Ben Kenobi:

Count Dooku was seduced by the Dark Side of the Force, he ceased to be Count Dracula and became Count Dooku
MomOf2YoungPadawan
Mamadala's Lair
date Posted: Aug 18, 2006 1:30 PM
"Nobody who is evil thinks they are evil." George Lucas Oh, poodoo! You beat me to it - I was going to use that line! ;)

In all seriousness, IMO, Dooku was a political idealist to the end. He was brainwashed by Palpy (sound familiar?) to embody the ideals of the Sith. All in all, Dooku thought he was doing the galaxy a great service by helping Sidious turn Anakin to the dark side and rebuild the Jedi Order. In the ROTS novel, Dooku talks of how he looks forward to re-establishing an "Empire of Man" by crushing the leaders of the Seperatist movement and wiping out the non-humans in all realms of power.

Of course, all of this backfired. He ended up -as C3PO put it - "quite beside himself."
  mandalore65
Mandalorian Pride
date Posted: Aug 18, 2006 2:28 PM
Palps is evil.Lucas made Star wars as a battle between good and evil.

Jedi-good
Sith-evil

I am not trying to bash,I am saying I do not believe that Palps was good.

He really thought that the Empire would help the Galaxy and its people.

Think about the innocents he killed while laughing.Think of the torture chambers he made.
I compare him to Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussain.If you cannot call them good,don't call Palps good.
  darthapple34
date Posted: Aug 18, 2006 3:17 PM
Nobody called him good. The point is he thinks he is good. The Sith are clearly evil, but once they really got deep into the Dark Side they could not tell what they were doing was bad.

He really thought that the Empire would help the Galaxy and its people.
  jedimaster13109
Meditations of a Star Wars Fan
date Posted: Aug 18, 2006 3:59 PM
Dooku is such an interesting character. I blogged several entries on this topic awhile back. I ended up concluding the same thing, Dooku began as a revolutionary but in the end the tempations of the Dark Side got to him and he fell deeper into the grasp of Sidious. I still think that originally Dooku's plan had been to outwit Palpatine and use what Palpatine had built as a way of reforming the Republic. There is no doubt Dooku believed in his cause more than Palpatine ever suspected, Dooku had spent years a the Temple learning to hate and vowing to reform the republic.
  Japanese Fett
date Posted: Aug 18, 2006 4:29 PM
Count Dooku was just a pawn of Palpatine's evil game of chess. He wanted to capture the king, which in this case, is Anakin.

Sayonara, & MTFBWY :D
  mandalore65
Mandalorian Pride
date Posted: Aug 18, 2006 6:25 PM
Watch the end of ep.6 and tell me he didn't enjoy torture of people.Watch his laughing face and tell me he did it out of nececity.Same with ep.3 and Windu.
  usetheforce19
MasterMonkey13
date Posted: Aug 18, 2006 8:21 PM
I, in a way felt sorry for Dooku, he was just a pawn of Palpatine's evil game of chess.

May the Force be with us all! God bless!
  SithLord0017
That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
date Posted: Aug 18, 2006 9:47 PM
Thank you all for your comments and input. Glad I got a positive response back. I might make a few comments later regarding some of the comments you all made, but for now I have a headache and am very busy. Anyway thank you all for reading and commenting!
Lord Harald
The Council of Evil
date Posted: Aug 19, 2006 12:04 AM
The other blog you reffered to about Jedi and Sith, I mentioned in one of your earlier blogs that I would write a blog about the subject if I had been a Hyperspace-member. It was a form of subliminal message and it worked.

I am evil and manipulative. Like Sidious.

I compare him to Adolf Hitler
Hitler did a lot of good things for Germany in the start, that's what Nazism is all about, preserving one's country, even if it means genocide.
Lord Harald
The Council of Evil
date Posted: Aug 19, 2006 12:07 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong: Genocide is killing really many people.
I don't want any of you thinking I'm trying to justify Hitler killing 6 million jews.
  SithLord0017
That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
date Posted: Aug 19, 2006 12:16 AM
Lord Harald- Yes, I was trying to decide which blog to write (I have a huge list of topics that I choose from) and I remembered your comment so I decided to go with that blog. I wanted to contact you to check it out, but couldn't. Anyway thanks for commenting and yes that is basically what genocide is. And I don't wanna come out sounding in favor of Hitler, but he made Germany rich and powerful and allowed them to fully recover from World War II. It's ironic that what he did to help them recover, would eventually lead them into greater debt and worse conditions after the WWII.
  darthapple34
date Posted: Aug 19, 2006 7:29 AM
Watch the end of ep.6 and tell me he didn't enjoy torture of people.Watch his laughing face and tell me he did it out of nececity.Same with ep.3 and Windu.

Nobody said Sidious was good mandalore65. The point is he thought he was good. George Lucas said this himself. Sidious was not good at all. He was clearly very evil and power hungry. The point is he could not see he was evil himself. Sidious is evil.

"Nobody who is evil thinks they are evil."George Lucas

The point is Sidious did not see himself as evil.
  darthapple34
date Posted: Aug 19, 2006 7:48 AM
Dooku may not have seen himself as evil either. Lucas has said that Sidious counld not see his evil actions, perhaps the same applies to Dooku.
  FAN4YRS
A Rebel's Ramblings
date Posted: Aug 19, 2006 10:46 AM
That's what Lucas said? I think he's wrong. Even if that sounds crazy. I think Palpatine knew he was evil. Some people simply don't care what means they use to an end.
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