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date posted: Apr 19, 2006 5:38 AM | updated: Apr 19, 2006 5:40 AM

Vader, as he was supposed to be!

Hey SW brothers and sisters,

Would you rather have seen Anakin in Sith Robes and wielding a red blade? It would make more sense for Anakin to have been kitted out as a Sith as Palpatine wouldn't want his prize possession mistaken by the Clones for one of those pesky Jedi - there were a lot of blue blades and itchy trigger fingers in the attack on the Temple. When Anakin becomes Darth Vader, Palpatine could have spoken about how he has prepared for this moment, and has everything prepared for his new apprentice. I'd have had Anakin in a black uniform (like Luke's in ROTJ), though maybe with a cape. And yellow eyes from the death of the Younglings all the way to the end! Though they fade when he sees Padme.

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FAN4YRS
A Rebel's Ramblings

date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 5:51 AM

Well, Anakin had to keep his ligthsaber long enough to lose it to Obi-Wan so Kenobio could pass it on to Luke. However, it would have been intriguing to have a scene where the Emperor replaces Vader's lightsaber with a red blade. This would be interesting because it would show the Emperor designed the blade, not Vader, in ROTJ Darth makes a statement that Luke's skills are complete because he has constructed his own lightsaber, but wouldn't it be interesting if Vader never did!?!

Sol Kassar
Ramblings from the Detention Center (Startled)

date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 6:48 AM

Anakin was given the title Darth Vader while already wearing the black robes. If you look carefully at the photo you picked for this blog, you can see that the only brown article of clothing on Anakin is his outer robe. The rest of his garb is black. So you can actually say that he was half way there. And remember, Vader led the 501st to the Temple and did a whole lot of killing, so I think the clones had a pretty good idea of who he was, regardless of his lightsaber color.

And his eyes did turn yellow at the height of his anger - killing the Separatists. I think it's fine the way it was filmed, I mean, you didn't see Dooku with Sith eyes at all.

	JediMasterPickles Slowly Turning To The Dark Side!
date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 7:02 AM you can see that the only brown article of clothing on Anakin is his outer robe. The rest of his garb is black. His complete outfit was actually dark brown throughout the film until he dons the 'famous' black armour, GL clearly stated that he wore dark brown so in certain light, it would appear to be black. But let me assure you, IT IS BROWN!

	amidalooine The Emotional Galaxy
date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 7:16 AM This would be interesting because it would show the Emperor designed the blade, not Vader, in ROTJ Darth makes a statement that Luke's skills are complete because he has constructed his own lightsaber, but wouldn't it be interesting if Vader never did!?! I love this point, FAN4YRS! I, too, like that Anakin keeps his blue light saber as long as he does.

	Sol Kassar Ramblings from the Detention Center (Startled)
date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 7:23 AM His complete outfit was actually dark brown throughout the film until he dons the 'famous' black armour, GL clearly stated that he wore dark brown so in certain light, it would appear to be black. But let me assure you, IT IS BROWN! Curse you, your facts and good eyes, Pickles!!!

Kataar
Read, Write, Watch, Enjoy!

date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 7:42 AM

two things - firstly, his switching back and forth from Sith eyes was perfectly done, it shows his struggle with the dark side. He doesn't just turn over instantly, no one does, and I think Lucas was very intelligent for doing this. He didn't fully turn until his duel with Obi-Wan ended.

Secondly, if he used a red saber against Obi-Wan...how did Obi-Wan get his blue saber to give to Luke? That would have made continuity even more of a nightmare...

	master_yogurt7
date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 7:45 AM i think that it would have been awesome to see the daurth vader in the suit fight obi-wan. he always looked scarier with it on. my dad told me that when i was 2 years old he actually made me cry. go sith!

	lordvader991
date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 7:45 AM How about if Anakin doesn't get the red lightsaber until after he destroyed the temple because Order 66 happened right after he became a Sith and while Annie was away, Palpitine got all his Sith stuff ready.

	_x_Darth-Max_x_
date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 8:23 AM About The Eyes , in Mathew Stovers Book its stated that when Padme came to the landing platform. Darth vader put on his Anakin Skywalker face At the end of Episode 3 the game , if u use Anakin u will get a Red Lightsaber from The emperor and he then Stabs Him

	Jedi Master Mina Another Galaxy, another time
date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 10:12 AM The transition of Anakin from Jedi to Sith in EP3 was done on purpose. Hanging onto the blue lightsaber and Jedi garb shows how Anakin had to struggle with his split personality. If you read Dark Lord, it states that Sidious gave Vader a red crystal to construct a Sith lightsaber.

padmeskywalker77
Padme's Legacy

date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 11:11 AM

To me, seeing Anakin in his Jedi robes with his Jedi lightsaber had more of an emotional impact during the execution of Order 66 and his attack on the Temple. It goes to show that, although he has been renamed Darth Vader, he still struggles with the transition between Light and Dark--as does the changing of his eyes between "Anakin eyes" and "Sith eyes."

Also, as others have mentioned, it would be a continuity nightmare if Anakin had his "Sith saber" during the Temple attack and his duel with Obi-Wan...how would his lightsaber been given to Luke if he didn't have it during the duel?

	Commander Ekdar
date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 6:33 PM Another reaon Anakin didn't have his sith stuff was Lord Sideuos said they needed to act quickly so Anakin got the 501st and they attacked the temple giveing Anakin no time to get his new stuff

	gahmah80 Gahmah's Lair of Trauma (Blog Closed Due to Inability to Renew Hyperspace Account)
date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 7:14 PM It's fine the way it is. Besides, if that did happen, it would cause a big or small glitch in the timeline.

JediShemL
Anakin Skywalker's Conception

date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 7:46 PM

I do agree that it would have been nice to see Anakin with Sith robes and a red lightsaber.

One thing I noticed in the Star Wars Saga is the red lightsaber was never used for anything but a duel. Never for anything else.

If Anakin had dropped his blue lightsaber to Padme or something, that would have given the continuing of Obi-Wan getting his hands on it to give to Luke. Or if Anakin left at the Temple, and Obi-Wan found it there when he and Yoda were investigating the Temple

	Poppy Mc
date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 7:54 PM the whole concept of using a blue lightsaber, so far only seen with light side jedi, for killing other jedi is very ironic in its concept, and gives you a feel for how truly betrayed the jedi were. the whole imagery of blue on blue lightsabers, the same with general greivous vs kenobi, is to show how truly broken apart the jedi were

	MasterVestin5
date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 8:00 PM I like the idea of Sithing Anakin, but him facing his brother was a sacred moment, and the only way to do that would to be by making it be a blue blade battle. And besides, there wasnt much time to get the blade and robes befor the Jedi found out.

crossclonemandalorejedi

date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 8:02 PM

i agree with the whole "the movie is fine the way it is" thing, but i still would have loved to see him in full sith glory at least once before he had to be VADER (as in the suit)

LOVE the whole irony of the blue blades

do agree that his eyes should have been yellow while killing the younglings

but how did he know that luke was his son, no one ver told him his wife gave bith before she died, just that she died, when does he find out about his son?

	retard18426
date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 8:15 PM I love it how it is. The blue lightsaber really reflects the idea of brother on brother. Symbolically, it's very dramatic, like some of the other topics that have been touched upon in this blog, and I really like it how it is. It makes the transition both more painful and more realistic, in my eyes.

darth kickass9
Thought Provoking; at least I like to think so!

date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 8:21 PM

but how did he know that luke was his son, no one ver told him his wife gave bith before she died, just that she died, when does he find out about his son?

For one, who else in the galaxy is a Skywalker? Secondly, there was no more Obi-Wan to cover Luke up, thus Vader could feel that it was his son.

Luke-"That's not true, thats impossible!!!"

Vader-"SEARCH YOUR FEELINGS, you know it to be true!"

There ya go! ^^

	teh_dude So, at last we meet for the first time for the last time
date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 9:08 PM Every time I watch RotS I get that wanting to see Anakin not get into the armor. I think he would've been a much more powerful & intimidating Sith in his true human form than cyborged up.

San Ton Quinn

date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 9:28 PM

I think he would've been a much more powerful & intimidating Sith in his true human form than cyborged up.

It is obvious that Darth Vader would not have been as famous without the Suit and the James Earl Jones Voice. But i absolutely agree that he would have been more powerful, for he would be less restricted. The purpose for Anakin to be in his jedi garbs wielding his blue blade was to show that the jedi were fighting one of their own. Darth Vader and Anakin were the same for one thing: love. They were both doing all of this for Padme', which makes the jedi more human than they seem.

	spanKdaDarkmonkey
date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 9:50 PM I loved the dark brown with the hood up and the blue lightsaber. I thought that was the coolest part of the ROTS game to see him that way (he looked kickazz)

	Yoda's Pink Uncle
date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 9:52 PM can anybody give me a link to the PLB? YPU out

	Yoda's Pink Uncle
date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 9:52 PM can anybody give me a link to the PLB? YPU out

	Yoda's Pink Uncle
date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 10:08 PM doh!!!!!!

	Darthvegeta800000
date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 11:46 PM Nice idea but it all comes together better as it is in the movies.

	deadite_jedi Aren't you a little opinionated for a Stormtrooper?
date Posted: Apr 20, 2006 12:18 AM I had seen some pretty interesting versions of Anakin concepts for ROTS, in the fan art section at www.theforce.net Some of them I thought would have been fairly cool, and not to far out for the storyline.

JediShemL
Anakin Skywalker's Conception

date Posted: Apr 20, 2006 12:51 AM

but how did he know that luke was his son, no one ver told him his wife gave bith before she died, just that she died, when does he find out about his son?

He found out in ESB, when Sidious revealed that the Rebel pilot is the "Son of Skywalker."

That scene was revised for the DVD to declare when Vader found out about Luke. Sure he knew of Luke after ANH, and knew his name, but didn't know he didn't know for sure he was his son until Sidious said so.

darthseinfeld

date Posted: Apr 20, 2006 2:19 AM

Anakin would have looked like an awesome sith lord but then the essence of Vader would be gone. He needs to stay portrayed as the man behind the mask, not simply as your typical evil monstrous Sith.
It would make the movie too typicall, the armour adds to his character, but we should have seen more Sith Robes Anakin/red sabre too, but all the other movies would change. Im unsure if it would be a good or bad change.

	Yoda's Pink Uncle
date Posted: Apr 20, 2006 2:35 AM how do u use you're free trial?

	Yoda's Pink Uncle
date Posted: Apr 20, 2006 2:52 AM crap, i have a cd-rom drive, not a dvd-rom drive

lightchloe

date Posted: Apr 20, 2006 3:04 AM

I spoke to a friend the other day. In his gravelly voice he said thus:

"When turns a Jedi, receives not his red lightsaber quickly. Earn it he must
through treachery and violence. Before that time fear and anger are his weapons".

And I thought it sounded like the corrupt Sith way of rewarding achievers. That would
raise an interesting question though.

What has to be done to earn a super star destroyer? Chilling indeed!

lunchbox178

date Posted: Apr 20, 2006 3:42 AM

I think that Palpatine had everything ready for Vader already and that the Jedi purge was merely a trial in order to see just how consumed with aqnger Vader was. If Vader was to go to the temple, clear out the Jedi, then go to Mustafar and take care of the seperatists, note the eyes, only then would he really be a true Sith. From what I've read Palps liked to put his apprentices through some sort of trial before actually calling them his apprentice. He did it for Darth Maul, Tyranus...well he really didn't plan on keeping him but I feel this was Vaders, and if things had gone according to plan, killing Vader would've been Luke's trial for apprenticeship. I wonder what Luke's Sith name would've been, hmmm.......

	4sbwithu2
date Posted: Apr 20, 2006 5:17 AM jedis and sith don't care what they look like. thats not what they depend on to come across as good or evil.

	Darth Vader 004
date Posted: Apr 20, 2006 5:27 AM I would love to see Anakin as Darth Vader with a red blade and a cool Sith robe... I think you are reading my mind because when i 1st heard that there will be III ep., i thought-"Man! Hayden as Vader, this is soo cool!!!"

IamYodasLoveChild

date Posted: Apr 20, 2006 6:03 AM

I think that the films should have been like this:

Episode I - A cross between the actual Episode I and Ep II. Anakin is found - then a leap in time to when he's in his twenty's then the discovery of the clones.
Episode II - a whole film devoted to the Clone Wars ending with Anakin turning to the dark side.
Episode III - A whole film about Darth Vader's (without the suit but with red lightsaber) betrayal of the jedi ending with the duel with Obi-wan then getting suited up.

	shizumadrive Adventures of an over-active acklay!
date Posted: Apr 20, 2006 6:03 AM I think he eventually would have been like that if he hadnt takena swim in the lava. He didn't have time to build his lightsaber again and I'm sure Palpy wasn't complaining about how Jedi died thinking he was still good old Ani.

	kesseljunkie Kessel Korner
date Posted: Apr 20, 2006 6:14 AM The point of Anakin staying in the same garb and using the same blade is that he is going against his better nature. Also, evil does not always look evil. I think that the films should have been like this: Well I, for one, think that would not have worked.

	THE JEDI ARE EVIL
date Posted: Apr 20, 2006 7:02 AM i think he needed to earn it from plaps before he could have red lightsaber and sith stuff.

	Holo-cron
date Posted: Apr 20, 2006 7:41 AM I think Vader should look a little more evil and sinister, more like this.

Jedi Arwen Skywalker

date Posted: Apr 20, 2006 7:48 AM

It defifinitly wouldn't have been so emotional if Dv had a red lightssaber when fighting obi-wan. Also the blue represents the lingering good in him. And, what would have happened in the father vs son duel if vader still had his full mobility and powers? Luke did not have the skills to defeat DV at the height of his powers. Obi-wan just barely had that ability. Besides, anakin would've killed palps asap, if he hadn't got stuffed on the suit.
so there, MTFBWU

	Pasherek The fall of Count Dooku
date Posted: Apr 20, 2006 7:56 AM The red lightsaber idea would have been cool. The hasbro version of Anakin with a red saber gave us a taste of this. Also as scene in the video game Episode 3 at the end if you play it as Darth Vader.

Jay-oh-ee

date Posted: Apr 20, 2006 8:31 AM

i like it how anakin kept his blue sabre so if you had not seen the OT or knew the story you would feel a ray of hope that anakin gets turned good at the end of ep III. but he should hav kept his blue sabre with him always even if sidious gave him a red one. in the words of obi-wan kenobi-"this weapon is your life" so anakin would not want to lose his weapon, because he would lose his life!!!

crossclonemandalorejedi

date Posted: Apr 20, 2006 9:20 AM

once again i love the irony of the blue on blue blades, it seemed more dramatic all around that way. the younglings thinking help had come then... to see the weapon wich had been thought of as something that brings justice, chopping down children, and jedi. Its like taking supermans heat vision and killing people (worse analogy ever i know)
its jus tthings you have etched into your mind as GOOD, then ripping you to pieces, i love it

the movies are great the they are, but i hate the clonewars tv series. they really should have done something differently with that

darthjack66
Jedi Temple Invader

date Posted: Apr 20, 2006 9:20 AM

That does sound pretty good. I do love how things were done in Revenge of the Sith though. My first thoughts of what Episode III would be like after I saw AOTC were that Anakin would just spontaneously snap and turn on Obi-Wan in the middle of the movie to were he was nearly destroyed. Palpatine would then hear of this and order Anakin's life be preserved, hence the Vader suit. Then at the end, the remaining Jedi like Obi-Wan, Mace, Kit Fisto, Saesee Tiin, Plo Koon, and Aayla Secura would go to stop Palpatine only to be confronted by Vader and Obi-Wan would nearly escape.

sithhappens!
sithhappens! diary

date Posted: Apr 20, 2006 9:27 AM

to see the weapon wich had been thought of as something that brings justice, chopping down children, and jedi. Its like taking supermans heat vision and killing people (worse analogy ever i know) its jus tthings you have etched into your mind as GOOD, then ripping you to pieces, i love it

Whoa... sithhappens! likes! It is like dressing as Superman and then killing the people relying on you. Awesome. The blue blade stays!

	darthgrnmachn
date Posted: Apr 20, 2006 9:28 AM I personally think Anakin didn't wear a Sith robe during the Jedi Purge in the temple because he wanted the element of surprise. The Jedi in the temple didn't know of his turn to the dark side and it would be the perfect chance to kill them. They weren't suspecting anything, and could be killed easier.

	RJ-1 Kenobi Journal of the Wibbles
date Posted: Apr 20, 2006 10:09 AM I agree with what everyone else has said about the tragic irony of a blue blade being used as an instrument of evil. On a purely practical note, though, how would the audience be able to see a red blade against all that lava?

	Master Nephilin Contemplations of a Jedi
date Posted: Apr 20, 2006 10:13 AM I have also imagined what ROTS would have been like if Anakin had a red lightsaber or was outfitted in his Vader suit. Though it would have been cool, I think it have completely messed up the movie and storyline. Also, the sad and emotional impact of Anakin in the Jedi temple and fighting Obi-wan would have been lost.

Chris2OneBee
The Living and Breathing Blog of Chris2OneBee

date Posted: Apr 20, 2006 10:20 AM

I think keeping the blue lightsaber was an important symbol, as has been said--something unnatural, a blue blade against a blue blade, in the duel with Obi-Wan and Anakin, aside from the attack on the Jedi Temple. But I do think he should've been wearing at least a black cloak instead of the brown one, once he transitioned. That would've been cooler, but then, truth be told, he's not truly Vader yet. Not until he gets humbled, and really gets trained by Sidious and his missions later on. It's fine as it is, but as with most everything in Star Wars, I find myself thinking, "Wouldn't it be cool if...?" This is just another example of that.

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