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Hokey Religions and A Good Blaster at My Side
by: Smuggler Jedi
date posted: Jan 28, 2008 11:21 AM  | 
updated: Jan 30, 2008 8:49 AM
Did Yoda Lose Hope?
I've been thinking more and more about Yoda and Luke's first meeting on Dagobah. Yoda's decision to train Yoda came after an interesting series of events. First, Luke crashes on Dagobah. Then he sets up his camp and prepares to search for the Jedi Master. Next, Yoda arrives at the camp feigning to be someone else. Luke initially expresses annoyance at Yoda's arrival, but Yoda's revelation that he knows Yoda, that he can take Luke to him, and that is not far change Luke's mind about his new little green friend.

Finally, they arrive at Yoda's hut. Yoda still hasn't revealed his identity. Luke continues to get more and more impatient. Finally and dejectedly, Yoda states that he cannot train the boy. Then Obi-wan chimes in.

Like my last blog, this series of events takes on a new meaning now that the prequels are behind us. We know that it was Obi-wan, Yoda, and Bail Organa that devised a plan to hide the Skywalker children until they were ready. The children were the embodiment of hope of overcoming Vader and Palpatine.

So, what happened between Revenge of the Sith and The Empire Strikes Back that caused Yoda to lose faith in his plan? This was the big moment Yoda and Obi-wan had been waiting for. Luke was on Dagobah and ready for training. At least Obi-wan thought so. Did Yoda lose hope in defeating the Sith and the Empire? I have some thoughts.

First, Yoda states that he has watched Luke over the years. Undoubtedly, Yoda utilized the Force to monitor the growth of the boy. Yoda was not impressed with Luke's focus or dedication. Then, Luke arrives on Dagobah. Luke's initial meeting with Yoda would hardly impress a prospective employer.

Luke was impatient. He wanted to find Yoda, and he wanted to find him now. Luke was judgmental. He did judge Yoda by his size and appearance. Luke was arrogant. He wasn't even a Jedi, but had already determined that Yoda was beneath him based on his apparent unimportance due to his size and behavior.

Second, did Yoda sense fear or hate in Luke? Luke had plenty to want revenge for. The Empire after all did murder his Aunt and Uncle on Tatooine. Or, was there an absence of fear, awe, and respect for the Force that concerned Yoda? Luke was rushing into Jedi training head on without any real idea of what he was getting into. Luke thought being a Jedi was about being a warrior. Yoda quickly corrected him, "Wars not make one great!"

Third, was Luke the Skywalker Yoda hoped to train? "That boy is our last hope," said Obi-wan. "No, there is another," replied Yoda. Perhaps Yoda hoped to train Leia. On some level, it would make sense. Leia had focus. She had been a Senator. She had a sharp mind. She was already fighting the Empire with the Rebellion when Luke was brought into the fold.

Then, on other levels, Leia was a terrible candidate for Jedi training. She had been fighting with the Rebellion against the Empire. She was wrapped up in the Rebel's cause and not ready to take on the life and beliefs of a Jedi. She had witnessed the Empire destroy her home planet. Yoda must have feared her hate for Vader and the Empire and her potential desire for revenge. Not to mention she had developed a recent attachment for Han Solo...

Fourth, did Yoda simply lose hope in defeating the Sith? Anakin Skywalker was the chosen one. Yet, he failed the Jedi and turned on them. Anakin was as powerful as a Jedi came. What could Yoda and Obi-wan possibly teach Luke that would allow him to defeat Vader? More importantly, did Yoda fear training the next Dark Lord of the Sith to replace Vader or Sidious? Then again, what did he have to lose? The Empire already ruled the Galaxy. The Jedi were nearly extinct.

Fifth, was Yoda just feeling his age? Was he just not sure he had it in him to train yet another Jedi?

In the end, Yoda was convinced by Obi-wan to take on the task. His fears, if I have labelled them correctly, came dangerously close to being realized when Luke rushed off to rescue Han and Leia without finishing his training.

I can't help but wonder what Yoda, Obi-wan, and Luke would have done if Yoda had been resolute and refused to train Luke. Would Obi-wan have attempted to do it from the netherworld in defiance of Yoda? Would there have been an attempt to get Yoda to train Leia?

I believe Yoda really had no choice but to train Luke. I don't think it was possilbe to get Leia to Dagobah and for her to accept her destiny as a Jedi at that time. For all his greatness, Yoda was "human" and had his doubts and fears. He had to conquer them so they wouldn't control him. The fate of the galaxy depended on it.

jedivan2
Jedivan's Viewpoint
date Posted: Jan 28, 2008 12:24 PM
I think that the first, second, fourth, and fifth concerns you mention were the main ones that Yoda had in his thoughts. The impatience of Luke (which you mention first) leads directly to the second. The fourth and fifth concerns are also related. Yoda probably despaired of seeing the Sith defeated before his death. Yes, he had, thanks to Qui-Gon, figured out how to maintain one's identity in the Force. But, the training of a Jedi Knight is probably easier when both master and apprentice are on the mortal plane of existence.
Krash
Shadow12 standing by!
date Posted: Jan 28, 2008 12:55 PM
Great topic BTW!

I think it was a combination of things, but first and foremost Yoda took one look at Luke (and the way he presented himself) and figured "oh great, this one is just like his dad."

Another new twist the prequels I picked up on was that Yoda had alot of respect for Padme (both personally and professionally) and I think he was hoping Luke would have inherited more of his mother's qualities then those of his father.

While it had to be Luke (to fit in the "Hero's Journey" aspect of the saga...it's interesting to ponder whether Yoda would have prefered training Leia over Luke.
amidalooine
The Emotional Galaxy
date Posted: Jan 28, 2008 3:09 PM
Very interesting. I guess I just assume that even the best laid plans can change. No matter what Yoda had hoped and planned in his own mind for Luke (and Leia?), there was no way to account for what they years would make Luke and Leia into. Maybe Yoda was thrown off by the similarities in Luke to his father.

Luke and Yoda's first meeting in ESB is one of the most awesome scenes to watch now that we have the prequels. I can't help but think...what's going through Yoda's mind? This can't be what he imagined...
leia19886
Some One get this big walking carpet out of my way
date Posted: Jan 28, 2008 4:45 PM
Interesting.
We all know Yoda spent years watching Luke. Yoda, I think, still held on to the old
ideas of what a Jedi should be. Luke was and was not like his father. Mabey Yoda
thaught there was no way Luke would have the patience to follow thru with the training.

He did run off to Cloud City against Yoda's wishes.
makes you wonder what might have been............
usetheforce19
MasterMonkey13
date Posted: Jan 29, 2008 5:50 AM
Very good blog. My best guess is that Yoda was bothered by Luke's lack of patience. In the age of the Jedi, Padawans were taught extensive training. By the time they were ready to be Jedi Knights, they were truly ready. Yoda had never seen such a brash young man before, and he absolutely didn't want him to become a Jedi. But, after speaking with Obi-Wan, who had first-hand experience with Luke, Yoda decided that there was no other way to defeat the Sith.

It seems as though what I'm saying has already been written by your first four commentors.

MTFBWY God bless!
Cousin Itt
You don't know how to fix the hyperdrive...!
date Posted: Jan 29, 2008 6:02 AM
Very thought provoking blog! Good job!

I feel that Yoda was testing Luke. When he says he can not train him, is he just saying that to get a reaction out of Luke? Knowing full well that he had no real alternative but to train him. Was it a 'plot' by Yoda and Obi Wan to make sure that Luke would have the dedication to become a Jedi.

20 years is a long time to be stuck on a swamp planet - exile must be pretty disheartening - maybe Yoda just needed that push from Obi-Wan and some sincerity from Luke ('I won't fail you, I'm not afraid') before he goes ahead.

  Smuggler Jedi
Hokey Religions and A Good Blaster at My Side
date Posted: Jan 29, 2008 7:52 AM
But, the training of a Jedi Knight is probably easier when both master and apprentice are on the mortal plane of existence.

Undoubtedly. If there wasn't an obstacle, Obi-wan could have done it.

I think he was hoping Luke would have inherited more of his mother's qualities then those of his father.

Good point. Luke didn't seem to take after his mother much at first.

This can't be what he imagined...

I'd love to have seen his expression: This farm boy is going to save the galaxy? Might as well become a Sith myself.



  Smuggler Jedi
Hokey Religions and A Good Blaster at My Side
date Posted: Jan 29, 2008 7:56 AM
He did run off to Cloud City against Yoda's wishes.

I can only imagine the conversation Yoda and Obi-wan had after this:

Complete his training, he will, you said. Not like his father, you said. Ready he is, you said. Last time I train Jedi you choose, it is!

Yoda decided that there was no other way to defeat the Sith.

That is where I was going with my conclusion. If not Luke, then who?

20 years is a long time to be stuck on a swamp planet

Slimy? Mud hole? My home this is! :)
Jade Sabre777
A luminous being, I am...
date Posted: Jan 29, 2008 2:27 PM
Perhaps Yoda hoped to train Leia.
That's a very interesting point! I guess because of the order in which I saw the movies, I just got used to the idea that Luke would be the one to be trained.

Great blog, Smuggler Jedi!
  Smuggler Jedi
Hokey Religions and A Good Blaster at My Side
date Posted: Jan 29, 2008 2:58 PM
That's a very interesting point! I guess because of the order in which I saw the movies, I just got used to the idea that Luke would be the one to be trained.

Great blog, Smuggler Jedi!


Thanks. That is a natural assumption. Up until Return of the Jedi, we aren't even aware taht Leia is a Skywalker. For all we knew, this was something that Yoda just discovered through the Force. It isn't until RotS that we learn he had a say in what happened to her.
The Stooge
Star Wars Joke-A-Day
date Posted: Jan 29, 2008 4:27 PM
Fascinating stuff. I'd never thought about Yoda being crippled by fear before, but your arguments are pretty near perfect. Also worth considering is how Yoda clearly had a way of peeking into the future, so he knew that Luke might run off before his training was complete. Nothing worse than putting time and effort into something which might end up half-baked.
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