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Hokey Religions and A Good Blaster at My Side
by: Smuggler Jedi
date posted: Jan 30, 2008 9:26 AM
Yoda's Destiny
If you have been keeping up with my blog, then you probably think I have Yoda on the brain at this point. Perhaps I do. For some reason I've just been paying a lot of attention to the Master while watching the movies.

I finished watching Revenge of the Sith again last night. After the Grand Master of the Jedi Order dueled Sidious, Yoda escapes and remarks, "Failed I have. Into exile, I must go" ...or something similar.

Question is: Did Yoda really have to go into exile?

After watching the movie, my initial reaction is "NO!" Yoda barely lost. He should regroup with Obi-wan and take another stab at the Emporer. Furthermore, Senators Bail Organa and Mon Mothma are going to need to him. Yoda was giving up.

However, answering this question requires an examination for Yoda's options. After fleeing the Senate, Yoda could have elected to regroup with Obi-wan and other Jedi and attempted to take on the Emporer and Vader again. Yoda could have gone into hiding, but remained active in the fight against the Empire. Yoda could have started a secret Jedi academy in a corner of the galaxy to rebuild the Jedi order and challenge the Sith. There were a hundred things Yoda could have done. So, why pick exile? Did he have to go into exile?

I have mixed feelings on this issue, but I believe there was a correct choice to be made.

Yoda could have been useful to the Rebellion. He could have lead armies an inspired a resistance. However, Yoda and Obi-wan, and any other surviving Jedi had just learned a harsh lesson. The Jedi were not destined to be generals. They were keepers of the peace and servants of the Force. The Clone Wars distracted them from their purpose, spread them across the galaxy, and destroyed their order.

Yoda could have found a core world to hide on and from there attempted to advise the diplomatic leaders of the Rebellion. Jedi weren't meant to be politicians though. They were thought of as negotiators. What was there to negotiate with? Not the Empire.

Could Yoda have reamined in the Core worlds and stayed in hiding? Not likely. Yoda was a major presence in the Force. It was unlikely that Vader or the Emporer would not have sensed his presence. By staying in the Core, Yoda would have put those worlds in danger of Vader's wrath.

Why didn't Yoda recruit Obi-wan to attempt to seek out and reorganize the Jedi? This question nags at me the most. Yoda and Obi-wan pinned their hopes on two infants that would not be raised as Jedi. The odds of the plan working had to be daunting. Other Jedi had escaped Order 66.

This plan probably had several things working against it. The Jedi were yesterday's heroes. The Empire successfully tarnished the image of the Jedi and turned them into traitors and usurpers. Organizing the Jedi on any planet wasn't going to be easy. The fledgling Empire wouldn't tolerate their presence anywhere. In addition, the Jedi were going to have to go into hiding. Getting word out to them that the Jedi were regrouping would be difficult at best. What Jedi is going to trust a rumor that Yoda is rallying the Jedi? It would appear to be an obvious trap. Furthermore, how would the Jedi recruit new prospects into their fold? Revealing a child to be force sensitive with a high midchlorian count would probably scare more parents than it would elate. Who was going to turn their children over to the reviled enemies of the Empire anyway?

Then there is the issue of Obi-wan's exile. He managed to hide on Tatooine, essentially under Vader's nose, for two decades. Could Yoda not have done the same? This question is hard to answer. I suspect the answer is probably not. First, should the Empire have stumbled upon Obi-wan on Tatooine before they did, it would have put Yoda in jeopardy. One of them needed to be around to train Luke and/or Leia. Second, Obi-wan probably had an easier time blending in on Tatooine. Yoda may have found it more difficult.

I've painted a picture that is definitely more pro-exile. Yoda and Obi-wan could have chosen a different path. However, the risks associated with each alternative appeared to vastly outweigh their chances of success. Instead, Yoda and Obi-wan were forced to take a page from the Sith game plan by going into exile and biding their time until Luke or Leia was ready...or until their hand was forced. Such a plan was not without its own risks, but it did pay off.

Post note: as an aside, does anyone know what happened to the ship Yoda used to get to Dagobah? For some reason, the fate of this ship is bugging me. :p

vadersgirl33
vadersgirl_reflections
date Posted: Jan 30, 2008 9:38 AM
Wow!! Good thoughts.

I'm sure the exile of Yoda bugs a lot of us. Of course he had other options, but I believe he chose it because when Luke and Leia were ready, the Emperor and his Empire (and certainly Vader) woud be taken completely by surprise. And the gamble paid off.

As for the ship he took to Dagobah, I don't know. Possibly he hid it really well, or he destroyed. Why?? We may never know.

vadersgirl33
Granny-Wan
I Am NOT an Old Fossil!
date Posted: Jan 30, 2008 10:07 AM
Exile was the wisest choice for both, for all the reasons you mentioned. Jedi were not meant to lead armies, they were peacekeepers. They made a wrong choice there and the price was their destruction.

Also, each knew there were very few Jedi left, and someone had to survive to keep the knowledge of the Jedi alive... "until the time is right" Yoda said.... perhaps he sensed something in the future that told him the Rebellion would grow to a point where they could be more help...

And Obi-Wan knew Tatooine was a dangerous place and Luke would need watching over...

....con't
Granny-Wan
I Am NOT an Old Fossil!
date Posted: Jan 30, 2008 10:09 AM
In the novelization of ROTS, Yoda has a realization during the fight with Sidious of how to defeat the Sith and realizes that if he dies, the knowledge will die with him... sorry, I can't remember what it was, and my books are packed away :(

I've always thought they should have gone after Sidious together, and then dealt with Anakin... but if they'd both died in that fight, there might be no one left with the knowledge of the Jedi...

As for Yoda's ship, it probably deteriorated into rust and junk in that swampy environment!
acegrl45
Always in motion is the future
date Posted: Jan 30, 2008 10:14 AM
Good analysis! I loved reading all of this because I actually have never really thought about, but just took it at face value. I liked the points you made about the Jedi not being politicians, generals, or any such sort. They were peace keepers of the Old Republic. Also, I liked how you talked about the Empire portraying the jedi as traitors. That, of course, would make their progress difficult if they ever wanted to re-group.

Good blog entry!
comanderbly
That's Impossible. Even for a Computer.
date Posted: Jan 30, 2008 10:58 AM
Great blog!

I think exile was necessary after he failed to stop Sidious because a second attempt would have really left the Jedi looking bad to the public and the Senators. I think if he did not discover Luke and Leia he may have come out of exile sooner to face Sidious, once he had a solid plan. With the remaining Jedi in hiding - who would take control of the Senate, that sort of planning.

I think the existence of Anakin's children may have changed Yoda's plans. If a second attempt failed who would look after them, were there Jedi powerful enough to handle training them? Would they be wise enough to handle rebuilding the order? Yoda's exile was not just about defeating the Sith - it was about the future of the Jedi.
  Fish1941
date Posted: Jan 30, 2008 11:07 AM
If a second attempt failed who would look after them, were there Jedi powerful enough to handle training them?

Would the remaining Jedi try to train Luke and Leia without them being old enough to make a decision to accept training in the Force?
  FAN4YRS
A Rebel's Ramblings
date Posted: Jan 30, 2008 11:34 AM
Did Yoda's going into exile make Mon Mothma and Bail Organa weaker or stronger?

I think it made them stronger, because they had to be. Sometimes we rely too much on our heroes and when they take their hands off the wheel and let us drive we learn that we can be heroes ourselves.

I don't think that was ALL of Yoda's reason for exile, but it was part of it. The biggest part that was if he actually failed and was no more he wouldn't be around to train other Jedi. He and Obi-Wan had to save themselves for the future (i.e., Luke and Leia).
  shoppingMaul61
date Posted: Jan 30, 2008 10:04 PM
I think Yoda was basically acknowledging that for himself, and the Jedi at that point, the war was over. It was time for a re-think, for the politics to assert themselves, and for the Galaxy to settle into it's path, good or bad. He was basically retiring. The Skywalker twins were more of a second consideration, a possibility. Even when he met Luke he wasn't sure he was on a winner. And in the end the Ewoks saved the galaxy anyway ha ha!
Jade Sabre777
A luminous being, I am...
date Posted: Feb 03, 2008 9:08 PM
I've thought about this before myself. Great points, Smuggler Jedi! I can't think of anything to add!
  jedimasterscottb
date Posted: Feb 11, 2008 7:33 PM
Well Yoda couldn't fight again cuz he lost his saber of light in the battle and didn't retreive it for some reason...so he was forced into hiding cuz of that.
As for yoda's ship i read he took it apart and used some of it for his hut.

"Unlearn what you have learned" Yoda voice;
  Lord Tyranus67
date Posted: Mar 05, 2008 6:44 PM
Suppose God came down and told you to do something. That doing it is the right thing to do is clear. Yoda saw it this way. The Jedi order could not survive, period. Surviving Jedi can live out their lives doing as Jedi always have - serving the will of the Force.

Yoda also said, they will hide until the time is right. That time was ANH. It was not Yoda or Kenobi who decided the time was right; it was THE twins. Leia sought out Kenobi and Luke stumbled onto Kenobi. Clearly, the time was right.

Your point about how unlikely that was is well taken. The "time" for the Jedi to return could also be beyond their lives. It matters not. Follow the will of the Force, did he - not his own will. How Christian like huh?
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