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Hokey Religions and A Good Blaster at My Side
by: Smuggler Jedi
date posted: Oct 30, 2007 12:51 PM
One Change to Revenge of the Sith I'd Like to See
I loved Revenge of the Sith. Like many fans, it was my favorite movie of the prequel trilogy. However, if I had my way, there is one thing that would have been different about it: Anakin would not have been given his Sith name in the movie.

Remember Darth Vader's introduction and presence in A New Hope? Remember how evil he seemed? Remember the amazing twist and how shocked everyone was in The Empire Strikes Back when Darth Vader and Luke had the following exchange (forgive me if I don't get it 100% accurate):

VADER: Obi-wan never told you the truth about your father.

LUKE: He told me enough. He told me you killed him.

VADER: No, *I* am your father.

LUKE: No, thats not true! Thats impossible!

I was just a kid then, but I remember my shock and amazement as I learned right along with Luke that Vader was in fact a Skywalker and his father. I remember talking about this with my friends and family and debating whether it was really true before Return of the Jedi was released.

Now, imagine you are a new fan to the Star Wars saga. You start with Episode One: The Phantom Menace. You follow Anakin and Obi-wan's story through Attack of the Clones, and you finally arrive at Revenge of the Sith. In the last half of Sith, you witness Anakin betray Mace Windu and receive his Sith name of Darth Vader. You then witness Obi-wan defeat Anakin on Mustafar. Finally, you see Padme give birth to Luke and Leia, and Anakin completely transform into the new Dark Lord.

By the time you get to Empire, the revelation of Vader's true identity as Luke's father is only surprising to Luke. If it were up to me, Episode III would have been altered slightly in an attempt to preserve this surprise.

First, Palpatine/Darth Sidious, would not give Darth Vader his name in the scene where Anakin betrays Mace. Sidious would accept him as a new apprentice, but the naming would be edited out or dispatched with a line something along the lines of "You will need to adopt a new name, my young apprentice. In time, the Force will reveal your new identity. For now, I believe you are the only Jedi that was not involved in the plot to overthrow the Republic..."

Second, we wouldn't see Palpatine's rescue of Anakin on Mustafar. Instead, and this is the biggest change, we would see Palpatine in the now Imperial Senate making an announcement that Anakin Skywalker, the last Jedi that was loyal to the Republic, had defeated what was left of the Seperatists leaders on Mustafar. However, Skywalker perished from his injuries. The Emporer then leads the Senate in recognition of this fallen hero.

Finally, Vader would be introduced. Instead of seeing Anakin lying on the operating table as his cybernetic limbs are attached, we would see Palpatine leave the Senate. He would then arrive at a holo transmitter. Then the scene cuts to an image of seated Vader. From behind, we see his helmet lowered onto his head. Palpatine then instructs Vader, his apprentice, to oversee the construction of their new battle station.

The problem with this approach is that Episode IV makes things confusing. Vader refers to Obi-wan as his old master. Obi-wan has knowledge of Darth Vader and refers to him as a former pupil. Under the synopsis I plotted out, Obi-wan wouldn't have known of Vader's true identity. Vader's lines would still give away the surprise in Empire. Someone more clever than I would need to figure out how to overcome that. That said, I can appreciate the difficulty Lucas must have faced if he even contemplated an approach that would preserve the surprise in Empire.

To avoid the spoiler issue raised by Episode III, I usually start with Episode IV when introducing Star Wars to someone for the first time. You just have to be careful in your explanation of why you start there. However, I know that the various cable networks have done marathons with all six Star Wars movies starting with Episode I. That is kind of a disservice, as far as I'm concerned. Its a great saga, and I just wish there were a way to better preserve the big surprise.

  FAN4YRS
A Rebel's Ramblings
date Posted: Oct 30, 2007 3:01 PM
I think the last name "Skywalker" takes the surprise away no matter how you slice it.
  sithman472
date Posted: Oct 30, 2007 4:20 PM
I've noticed that people who haven't even seen starwars know the line no luke, I am your father. So the surprise is taken away no matter what you do. But if your introducing it to a child who is absolutely knew to starwars starting with IV would be a good idea.
  Smuggler Jedi
Hokey Religions and A Good Blaster at My Side
date Posted: Oct 30, 2007 5:37 PM
I think the last name "Skywalker" takes the surprise away no matter how you slice it.

Not if you don't know that Vader was Anakin Skywalker. If they protect Vader's true identity, then you don't find out what happens to Anakin after Episode III until Episode V. That is the whole point of this.

I've noticed that people who haven't even seen starwars know the line no luke, I am your father.

And I've met a bunch that only ever saw Star Wars and have no clue what happens next. It is about continuity in a way.
The Stooge
Star Wars Joke-A-Day
date Posted: Oct 30, 2007 9:49 PM
That would've been a terrific idea. I always wondered how they'd try to pull off the PT without giving away the big surprise of ESB... I suppose they kinda didn't. On the other hand, though, if you watch the saga straight through in episodic order, ROTS becomes the huge shocker -- who would predict that the main character would go bad?

A friend of mine once suggested an alternate order for viewing the saga: start with ANH and ESB, then watch the PT (TPM through ROTS), and THEN watch ROTJ. Not a bad idea, since it maintains all the surprises of both the OT and the PT, if just a tad confusing.
usetheforce19
MasterMonkey13
date Posted: Oct 31, 2007 5:57 AM
Great idea!

The way I see it, there are 2 huge surprises in the six episodes. However, viewers only get to experience one of them depending on what order they watch the movies in. If they watch 1,2,3,4,etc. first, they will have the shock of Anakin turning to the dark side, but it will be no surprise that Vader is Luke's father. However, if they watch 4,5,6,1,etc. first, they will have the shock of Vader being Luke's father, but it will be no surprise at all that Anakin falls to the dark side.

Now that I read Stooge's comment, I see that I've said basically the same thing as he did. I really need to make sure that I'm not copying someone else's responce. Anyway, great minds think alike, right? ;)

MTFBWY! God bless!
  Smuggler Jedi
Hokey Religions and A Good Blaster at My Side
date Posted: Oct 31, 2007 9:26 AM
Thanks for the comments, guys. You know, I hadn't even considered that Anakin falling to the dark side was a surprise. I guess it would be if you watched them in Episode order.

I do like Stooge's suggestion of viewing order. I'm going to try that the next time I work through the saga.
  Master Deireanach
date Posted: Nov 01, 2007 11:39 AM
Lucas himself said that by watching 1 to 6 that it gives people more sympathy for Anakin Vader if you see he wasn't always evil and that the only surprise he wanted to keep apart of the OT and not put in to the PT was the jump to hyperspace, if you notice in the PT you don't get the star stream view from inside the cockpit all you get are ships disappearing into hyperspace
  Smuggler Jedi
Hokey Religions and A Good Blaster at My Side
date Posted: Nov 02, 2007 11:20 AM
the only surprise he wanted to keep apart of the OT and not put in to the PT was the jump to hyperspace

That isn't a surprise though. It was a special effect he reserved for the Original Trilogy, but it isn't a twist in the story.

I understand what you are saying about sympathy, but I'd argue that watching either trilogy by itself, Vader's revealing his true identity to Luke was a bigger surprise than Anakin's downfall.
  Lord Tyranus67
date Posted: Nov 02, 2007 7:00 PM
Smuggler Jedi, I am new to blogs but I think you make a great point!

The biggest drawback is the scene when Vader rages through the voice upon learning that he killed Padme. Palpatine smiling at the overwhelming pain his friend for years is in really shows that he is totally evil.

In my opinion, no other scene in the entire 6 movies shows this depth of evil. How would you substitute this?
  Master Deireanach
date Posted: Nov 05, 2007 6:17 AM
Oh no doubt, Vader revealing to Luke that he's his father is one of the biggest shockers in movie history. Even during filming the line was read, "No, Obiwan killed your father" Only Lucas, James Earl Jones and the production team knew the truth, no one else knew until the movie opened in theatres.
  Master Deireanach
date Posted: Nov 05, 2007 6:20 AM
Lord Tyranus67

you're right that scene just shows how evil Sidious is. It's even better in the book, Vader is actually trying to kill Sidious with the force but he can only manage to destroy the room since he's lost so much of his body and Sidous is basically laughing at Vader for being weak now.
master sifo dum dum
Jacen Solo post NJO
date Posted: Nov 19, 2007 2:38 PM
Smuggler Jedi i love this blog and you make a very good point - I do feel somehow that the audience can sympathize more with Lukes' situation as we already know who his father was and for the me the "theres good in him, I've felt it" line really rings true for me since the PT was established.

on a related note i never really got to experience the shock of that line first hand as for some reason I saw ROTJ as a kid before the ANH and TESB - not sure how that happened :^O
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