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I enjoy learning foreign languages. One of the things I enjoy most about learning a foreign language is the insight it provides into the culture of the countries in which the language is spoken.
Often the meaning of a set expression is very different than what the literal translation of the words would convey. In Northern Mexican Spanish "pico de gallo" literally means "beak of the rooster," but in everyday speech it means "drink out of the bottle." Pop a top off of a bottle of soda or beer and drink it straight out of its container. You're drinking it "pico de gallo."
I fear sometimes that "We support our troops" is becoming a set expression in the US today.
"We support our troops" has become code for "I like the men and women of the armed services, but not the government of the US." The chief executive of the armed services is the President of the United States, and whether you like him or not, the troops answer to him. They answer likewise to their superior officers.
"We support our troops," but we think they are washouts that can't understand the peril that they are in. We hear stories of the failures of discipline and vigilance printed in our newspapers, only rarely do we read stories of hope.
"We support our troops," but we know the names of soldiers that required rescuing and not the ones decorated for heroism. A Memorial Day article in the Wall Street Journal ( link to full article here) talked about Leigh Ann Hester. Are you asking yourself, "who is Leigh Anne Hester?"
"The Kentucky National Guard vehicle commander was awarded a Silver Star last year for fighting off an insurgent attack on a convoy in Iraq. The first woman to receive a Silver Star since World War II, and the first woman ever to receive one for close combat."
"We support our troops" but we hope that someone else will help them with any problems that they have when they arrive home.
"We support our troops" but we don't give any support to the families that they have left behind while they serve. Their family members get to hear all about the failures of the US military, maybe even anonymously at some party.
"We support our troops" should NOT be a set expression. It should be a sign that we respect the men and women fighting for our freedom and the freedom of people around the world. It should be support for those troops that need it as well as honor for those that show themselves to be courageous in the most dire situations. Today, they walk patrols, they risk their lives, they miss their families. They'll also be doing these things on other holidays that their family at home has to celebrate without them.
Enjoy your celebrations on this Independence Day; support those who continue to make it possible. Don't make "We support our troops" a set expression for a different meaning. Show respect. We have a wonderful free society. Our troops have made that so.
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Kenobi-fan The Jundland Wastes Journal
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2006 6:57 AM
The chief executive of the armed services is the President of the United States, and whether you like him or not, the troops answer to him.
And they in turn ANSWER TO US. The election of anyone does not automatically mean the citizenry stop thinking or questioning the judgment of those elected - in war or not. The President, like any elected official, is subject to the same errors in judgment as any man or woman. However, just because someone is handed a great responsibility does not mean they are, in fact, responsible. The fact that most of us trust a complete stranger to protect and define us, should ensure our constant vigilance. I will never be blindly obedient to any person - no matter what title they hold.
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Karen Traviss "Cannon to right of them, cannon to left of them...noble Three Million!"
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2006 7:24 AM
I'll push aside the veil of irony,here.
Amen, sister. People often have an oddly dual approach to troops. They're big on the general principle of supporting folks in uniform, because that's easy to say, like "I love freedom" and "Nobody should eat kittens." It requires no effort . It's far harder to stand up for a reservist workmate who finds his job gone when he gets back, or even send a few books to a unit in the front line.
The test is always how we call treat individuals in uniform as people . Interestingly, my pacifist Quaker friend Farah cares more about individuals in uniform and does more to actively support them than many I know who just talk it and don't walk it. I see way too much of the latter these days.
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greenandwhitejedi Bar 66
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2006 7:31 AM
Throw it all away
Let's lose ourselves
Because there's no-one left for us to blame
It's a shame we're all dying
And do you think you deserve your freedom?
How could you send us
So far away from home
When you know damn well that this is wrong
I will still lay down my life for you
And do you think you deserve your freedom?
No I don't think you do
There's no justice in the world
There's no justice in the world
And there never was
'Soldier's Poem' from 'Black Holes and Revelations'.
Words by Matthew Bellamy. Music by Muse.
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cbern Omega Squad's 5th member
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2006 7:58 AM
we support our troops
i'm certainly not against them, closer to for them
i just don't support who is leading them, and i don't like this war
happy independence day!
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The Guardian of Light Light Shines Brightest in the Dark
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2006 8:21 AM
That was beautifully put. We should all remember that freedom comes at a heavy cost and we should honor all who have served and are serving. I know that many do not support our president or the war, but war is necessary sometimes when our freedom and the freedom of others is at stake. Yes, some brave men and women will die for our freedom, but they give their lives for us. And giving your life for what and whom you fight for is one of the greatest honors imaginable.
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Master Jedi Michael ANBU File 1262- Master Jedi Michael
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2006 10:07 AM
Just the other day I saw a car that had a " Support our Troops " magnet on it, but right next to it there was a sticker that had a web adress and under the adress it said " The only website that has a count down timer to when the idiot gets out of office and the idiots leave Iraq " Yea, they REALLY support our troops. Whenever someone starts dissing the war or the soldiers I get really angry. The proof is on one of Dr. Yoda's blog's. They are over there fighting for our freedom and some people have the nerve to not support them. I don't always agree with Bush, but I do support the troops and the cause they're fighting for
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Master Jedi Michael ANBU File 1262- Master Jedi Michael
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2006 10:14 AM
and i don't like this war
No one likes this war. The little children in Iraq don't like this war. The little kids in Germany didn't like seeing their Jewish neighboors being dragged off. The kids in Britain didn't like seeing their fathers leave to fight in the Revolution. And the American children don't like seeing their Mothers and Fathers go off to fight.
" You wrote that the world dosn't need a savior, yet every day I hear you crying for one "
-Superman "Superman Returns"
The world dose need a savior, and the people in uniform are our savior
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Master Jedi Michael ANBU File 1262- Master Jedi Michael
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2006 10:18 AM
My old neighboor that moved away is in the army. He's is one of the greatest men I have ever met. I respect him because he makes sure that my freedom and our freedom. I plan on going into the air force when I'm old enough. I just hope by that time the country no longer critisizes the ones who fight for them.
" Can you take it all away?
Can you take it all away?
Well you shoved it in my face,
This pain you gave to me!!"
"Blurry" by Puddle of Mud
MTFBWY
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hansgirl3 Invoking the Squee
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2006 10:19 AM
Fantastic blog, Solsticedawn!
I wish everyone would remember that it is important to always support the wonderful men and women who fight for our country.
Just last night, one of my dear friends, who is now going through his training in the Army, came back to town on couple of days leave before going to his next series of training. He's loving every minute of it because he's made of tough stuff, but he also knows that when he's sent to the "sand box" it's not going to be pretty.
He does it because he believes in what he fights for. I support our troops! I also support our President!
Happy Independence Day!
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NerfHerdersAnonymous Life, the Star Wars Universe and Everything
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2006 10:44 AM
Thank you for a lovely post.
I support our men and women in the military. I have a long history going back at least 400 years of family in the military, the youngest/newest member is just coming out of Annapolis. I pray to God that he never has to see war.
My cousin, a blond, blue eyed gal from Kentucky returned from a year of duty as a translator (she mentioned the disbelieving looks she received from the Iraqi men and women).
Some wars need to be fought, others do not. If I do not support our government when a war need not be fought I STILL support our troops, I do not waver on this.
See next post...
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Karen Traviss "Cannon to right of them, cannon to left of them...noble Three Million!"
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2006 1:15 PM
Excellent links, Leah - thanks for posting those. Walk the talk, everybody.
And let's remember that because they volunteer - full time career or reserves - the rest of us don't have to be drafted. That alone is an answer to: "What do they ever do for us?"
(Sorry, SD, I'm reprising my Strange Horizons rant here...)
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Darth Vadere The View of the Vu'traat Tay'haai
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2006 3:42 PM
Thanks for posting this entry SD. I think it's a good thing that we're thinking about these issues on July 4, and hope that folks will keep all of this in mind during the other 364 days of the year.
And let's remember that because they volunteer - full time career or reserves - the rest of us don't have to be drafted. That alone is an answer to: "What do they ever do for us?"
Amen to that KT.
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RepComGhost
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2006 4:26 PM
The chief executive of the armed services is the President of the United States, and whether you like him or not, the troops answer to him.
And they in turn ANSWER TO US. The election of anyone does not automatically mean the citizenry stop thinking or questioning the judgment of those elected - in war or not.
And yet how many people actually got off of their butts and voted in the last election?
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RepComGhost
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2006 4:26 PM
i'm certainly not against them, closer to for them
i just don't support who is leading them, and i don't like this war
No one sane and sober "Likes" war. But for some, it is our job. Please realize that there are wars all over this world all the time. Just because YOU haven't heard of them, doesn't mean they are not out there.
" The only website that has a count down timer to when the idiot gets out of office and the idiots leave Iraq "
This poor sod is a waste of first ammendment rights, and oxygen.
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RepComGhost
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2006 4:27 PM
The world dose need a savior, and the people in uniform are our savior
Amen, but they don't see themselves that way:
My grandson once asked me, "Grandpa, were you a hero in the war?" "No, but I served in a company of heroes." Maj. Dick Winters WWII veteran and Recipient of the Congressional Medal of Honor
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RepComGhost
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2006 4:57 PM
b]And let's remember that because they volunteer - full time career or reserves - the rest of us don't have to be drafted. That alone is an answer to: "What do they ever do for us?"
A major truth, amongst many others.
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RepComGhost
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2006 4:57 PM
Before anyone gets upset at my stance on this issue, my familiy has fought in every major military campaign from the Revolutionary War til now. Duty, Honor, Courage, and Service is ingrained in us. They are not mere words, they are a way of life. Take the time to look at the motto's of some of our finest fighting forces, "So that others may live", "Liberty for the oppressed", and "Follow Me" to name a few.
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RepComGhost
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2006 4:58 PM
Folks like slogans because they are cheap and easy. "Freedom isn't free" yet few are willing to pay the price. To use another slogan, they prefer to "Pass the buck".
After 09/11/01 Aaron Brown had a striking conversation with Ret Gen Wesley Clark where it was stated by one of them, " The problem with the way the vets were treated during Vietnam was that people misidentified the soldiers serving honorably, with the governments policy". But instead of taking it to heart, the appeasment at all costs wing of whatever party decided as long as they "Support the Troops" they can say whatever they want.
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RepComGhost
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2006 4:58 PM
My suggestion to the public is to do this, volunteer your time at a senior center for vets, the VFW's know several. If you have a neighbor who is a reservist at war, help his/her family however you can, babysit, help with grocery runs, hell, mow their freakin lawn. It's not much, but any of it would be appreciated more than you could believe. That's how you can really "Suppoort the Troops".
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RepComGhost
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2006 4:59 PM
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation. War is hell. William T. Sherman
Enjoy your Fourth of July, and pray to what ever deity you cherish for the souls of our lost brother and sister warriors, and that we may never run out of brave souls like those who are serving today.
Ghost out
PS By the way, nice blog Dawn.
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Master Jedi Michael ANBU File 1262- Master Jedi Michael
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2006 6:18 PM
Ghost, those were some great post's. I love the movie band of brother and I loved it at the end when Dick Winters said that. It's a very inspirationtional quote and it proves how great the soldiers are. All those people the diss them are waste's of space and air and they don't deserve to be in this country.
MTFBWY
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Master Jedi Michael ANBU File 1262- Master Jedi Michael
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date Posted: Jul 05, 2006 3:23 AM
I'm going to join the Air Force. My Mom really dosn't want me to, but I'm going to do it. I don't care how much anyone puts me down, I'm gonna serve my country dammit. Even if I can't join the Air Force I'll join the Army, the Navy, the Marines whatever I'm destined for. But I will join the armed forces.
MTFBWY
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Kenobi-fan The Jundland Wastes Journal
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date Posted: Jul 05, 2006 9:20 AM
I don't care how much anyone puts me down, I'm gonna serve my country dammit.
To paraphrase Qui-Gon Jinn: it's not an easy life. While in the Army, I was working 18-hour days for weeks at a time, working endless field problems, putting up with miscommunication, pay problems, leave problems, schooling problems, promotion problems, attitude problems, and so on (and this was without the chaos of deployment to worry about). I don't mean to disuade you or diminish your enthusiasm, MJM, but you should go in knowing as much as you can. Knowledge will make you wiser and stronger, whatever path you choose to serve your nation (and there are many)...good luck!
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Jedi Knight Safira Felan The Meditation Chamber
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date Posted: Jul 05, 2006 8:12 PM
Excellent blog. I totally agree. My dad is in the Army, active duty. He has already done a one year tour in Iraq and is gearing up for another one. People who don't live it can sit an slam the military or what they are doing, or say that they support the troops without really doing anything aside from putting a magnet on their car, but they can't understand what it is really all about until they have lived it. I don't really support war for war's sake but I do support freedom, even the freedom of others. How can we expect our own society to remain free if we can't respect the right of others to have that same freedom? Thanks for the great blog! May the Force be with you!
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VegetaSith
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date Posted: Jul 05, 2006 10:16 PM
do what must be done..................
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Lord Harald The Council of Evil
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date Posted: Jul 06, 2006 4:58 AM
I have a question. What would be the consequense if the president pulled all US troops back to the US?
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MaximusBane
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date Posted: Jul 06, 2006 6:06 AM
Lord Harald There could be many consequenses for such action.
1.) Insurgant attacks against our troops would then be targeted against other US areas of Interest. Most notably here in the US. How many attacks have we endured since 9/11? This war has kept the enemy occupied on soil far from our home.
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MaximusBane
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date Posted: Jul 06, 2006 6:07 AM
2.) Pulling US troops out Iraq will only be seen as a defeat for the US and a win for the terrorists.
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MaximusBane
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date Posted: Jul 06, 2006 6:07 AM
3.) Such a defeat would be catastrophic for the moral of a volunteer fighting force.
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MaximusBane
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date Posted: Jul 06, 2006 6:07 AM
4.) A victory for the terrorists will only embolden their attacks, you would then see larger more aggressive actions against the US, our citizens and our allies throughout the world.
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MaximusBane
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date Posted: Jul 06, 2006 6:08 AM
5.) In failing to complete out obligations to the world community, especially in finishing a job that we ourselves started, we only set up the entire world to be bullied by rougue nations and radical groups.
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MaximusBane
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date Posted: Jul 06, 2006 6:08 AM
To support us should be without question, however it is not. How would you feel if in whatever your chosen field you had your boss or your consumer come to you after years of painstaking and dangerous work you were told "ok time to wrap it up this project isn't worth it anymore?"
These men and women fight for us, themselves, their comrades, the flag and many other reasons. Please allow them to do so with the pride they deserve.
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MaximusBane
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date Posted: Jul 06, 2006 6:09 AM
I have no doubt that every US citizen values the rights, privlages and freedoms they are afforded. Few realize that everyone of them can be taken away by someone who has the steely determination to seize them when we lack the determination to hold on to them.
Should we pull our troops from Iraq we send the message to the entire world that we lack the will to back up our beliefs. Our current enemy has no problem with backing up their belifs with actions we MUST meet this threat with a hardened resolve of our own.
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MaximusBane
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date Posted: Jul 06, 2006 6:09 AM
I'll finish with a question of my own.
If we are not prepared, as a nation, to endure the deaths of the soldiers who safeguard our freedom, how can we be prepared to endure the deaths of civilians these soldiers sacrifices prevent?
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greenandwhitejedi Bar 66
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date Posted: Jul 06, 2006 7:50 AM
Soldiers and civilians are just two different words for "people", MaximusBane. How can the deaths of either be tolerated?
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ProbedbyaProbeDroid
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date Posted: Jul 06, 2006 7:59 AM
"We support our troops" is a saying that many people that hate the war and Bush use so they do not look like total jerks. You would look insane saying you hate the President, the war AND the troops! So they use this cliche phrase to cover themselves.
Many of the troops in Iraq feel they are there to do a job and do not want to leave until its done.
If you dont agree with what the troops do or what they believe in or do nothing to help them (except slap a magnet on the bumper of you car)......how excatly do you support the troops??
They support the troops but not what that do and die for......nice
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JediMelindaWolf Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
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date Posted: Jul 06, 2006 8:01 AM
I think Americans, at least the majority of Americans, truly support our troops. Sometimes that means these folks will send off care packages, send letters to unknown servicemen/women or say prayers for them. We all do what we can in our own way. I'm a (USMC) veteran, and I think about our troops overseas and here at home A LOT.
However, I totally agree with kenobi-fan . . . just because someone is handed a great responsibility does not mean they are, in fact, responsible. The fact that most of us trust a complete stranger to protect and define us, should ensure our constant vigilance. I will never be blindly obedient to any person - no matter what title they hold.
It's a dangerous path . . . following blindly.
MTFBWY
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EBCanale
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date Posted: Jul 06, 2006 8:56 AM
The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other ####### die for his.
George S. Patton, Jr.
You can't say that civilization don't advance, however, for in every war they kill you in a new way.
Will Rogers
There never was a good war or a bad peace.
Benjamin Franklin
To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace.
George Washington
We make war that we may live in peace.
Aristotle
I used to be a soldier. Great article you wrote. But war is necessary for peace. ...cont
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EBCanale
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date Posted: Jul 06, 2006 8:57 AM
Unfortunately people die. Without change in peoples thinking, war will be here for a very long. time. The enemy used to be the Germans, then the Russians and communists. Now its North Koreans and the Terrorists. In the world we live in there will always be someone crazy causing problems. We live in a world where good people (USA, EUROPE, ASIA, SOUTH AMERICA) live with a bullseye pointed at them. Especially the USA. When someone attacks us directly or indirectly, people think we should do nothing. ...cont
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EBCanale
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date Posted: Jul 06, 2006 8:57 AM
To quote Ronald Regan - "Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America to be passive. They were wrong." If we remain passive, it opens us to more attack and our way of life would end. When I say our way of life, I mean the free world. For the terrorists have attacked the USA, Europe and South America. These terrorist use violence against us. So we must rid of them. Even the Arab world is against them. But what we are exposed to is the minority in the Arab world that cheers for the terrorists. For once I hope this all ends...but unfortunately it wont anytime soon.
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.
Isaac Asimov
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MaximusBane
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date Posted: Jul 06, 2006 9:06 AM
Soldiers and civilians are just two different words for "people", MaximusBane. How can the deaths of either be tolerated
And for the record Endure and Tolerate are not the same.
Yes both are "people" and it is true that each persons life carries great meaning. My point is not that a soldiers life dosn't matter. In fact in many ways they matter more for the sacrifice that hey make.
The point is that it is hard to see them go to war, hard to see them die. Does that mean we just say no it isn't worth the fight.
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MaximusBane
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date Posted: Jul 06, 2006 9:06 AM
The point is if we can't stomach using our troops, how will we ever deal with the potential effects of not using them?
How did we feel as a nation or as a civilization for that matter when we saw the events of 9/11 unfold?
How would we deal with that if it became a more reoccuring event. That is the a likely future should we not find a way to endure the pain of the sacrifices of our servicemembers
I am a servicemeber and have been since Sept. 1992. Yes I think my life is as valuable as any one elses. But I do belive that it's worth it for the principles that I belive in. Alot of us do.
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peterpurin Star Wars Jesus Freak
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date Posted: Jul 06, 2006 10:23 AM
Nice post, my bro in law is in Iraq and he supports our commander in chief, and so do I. I truly mean God (as in the heavenly Father, His Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit) bless America!
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jedi-nite11 Jedi Trooper
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date Posted: Jul 06, 2006 11:23 AM
Yeah I as well just had a brother get home. You never know of how good they do until you see the real pictures of the happy faces of people just liberated. Imagine yourself being under the rule of a tyrant and then all of a sudden you are just given freedom. Our country couldn't have done a better thing. And I TOTALLY agree with MaximusBane on the reasons we CANNOT pull out of Iraq!!!
SUPPORT THE WAR DAMMIT!
There cannot be happiness without sadness.... There cannot be peace without war!
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WarlordEnfilade
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date Posted: Jul 06, 2006 1:29 PM
Is it possible to support the troops without agreeing with a mission?
Is it possible to say that a mission is strategically unsound, while still showing respect for those soldiers on that mission?
It is not the job of the soldiers to say "we don't want to do this." Their job is to serve as the government has asked them to, and they deserve respect for this.
I believe that if a government leader "supports the troops," then s/he will not ask the troops to risk their lives save in necessary, and just, conflicts.
So, if I believe that a government leader is misusing military personnel under her/his command, how should I "support the troops"--by criticizing the PM/CiC, or by holding my silence?
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Oboe-Wan Oboe-Wan's Hive of Scum & Villainy
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date Posted: Jul 06, 2006 1:41 PM
I guess I've viewed the "Support our troops" from a different standpoint. Often I feel like those who wield those car magnets & bumper stickers assume that *I don't* support the troops. I believe you can support the troops, their families, reservists, whomever, and still be able to question the reasons behind why they are there. The beauty of the USA is that we can question our elected leaders & not fear being thrown in jail or execution on a soccer field.
I think the ultimate "support" for the troops & families is to figure out how to get them home quickly & safely.
Is it possible to say that a mission is strategically unsound, while still showing respect for those soldiers on that mission?
Yes.
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