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 | With or Without George? pt 2 |
 You know the Debate! Now what do You think?
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http://blogs.starwars.com/swblogs_com_jmp14/7 |

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Darth Pechark
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date Posted: Nov 19, 2005 6:56 AM
Hmm, Lucas is Star Wars' creator and Star Wars is Lucas' creation. The two just can't be seperate. If 7-9 came out (and let's all hope it doesn't) it wouldn't be right if Lucas wasn't there with it.
Darth Pechark
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Jedi_Master_Jabba Jabba's Hutt
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date Posted: Nov 19, 2005 7:22 AM
hmmm i dont know id like to see more films but theyll probs ruin this great saga....
Maybe just stick to his 3-d cinema plans
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oxward321 LET'S THANK THE MAKER
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date Posted: Nov 19, 2005 9:04 AM
ceramicorphan wrote:
your telling me that lucas couldnt hand this franchise over to speilberg or peter jackson and they wouldnt do an excellent job with his source material?
Con......
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oxward321 LET'S THANK THE MAKER
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date Posted: Nov 19, 2005 9:06 AM
YES! That's exactly what I'm saying. They're both great film makers. I feel they are way overrated though, but their films were not written and conceived by them. LOTR worked becuase of the story that TOLKIEN had written, not Jackson. Way TOO MUCH CREDIT is given to Jackson, without Tolkien there's nothing. FOTR was a brilliant interpretation of Tolkien's world, the other two films I feel fell flat. They just aren't Tolkien worthy. Jackson took too many liberties with the story. Star Wars on the other hand is ALL Lucas, it's his baby. He did EVERYTHING within that world. Look at it this way, let's say Steven King or any other respected author decides to continue the LOTR, it could be great, but would it be right? I DON'T THINK SO.
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jedimaster9459D A Jedi Master's Mindset
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date Posted: Nov 19, 2005 10:15 AM
With or without GL, SW must go on!!!!!!! It will always be in our hearts!!!!!!!!
SW would be hard without George, though. He was the one who satisfied our thirst for a good action/drama space fantasy in 1977! Thanks, GL!!!!!!!
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JediKnight Harlesc Mondrum The Star Wars saga... Beautiful from start to conclusion.
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date Posted: Nov 19, 2005 10:40 AM
Weren't Episodes 5 and 6 directed by other directors? Even if Mr. Lucas only writes and maybe produces Episodes 7 through 9 they will still be Star Wars movies. The main problem would be casting no one would be able to fill the shoes of Carry, Harrison and Mark. I don't think having computer generated versions of Han, Luke and Leia would be interesting no matter how advanced computer graphics become.
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Bomberman6_5
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date Posted: Nov 19, 2005 12:39 PM
Well me personally i'd like to see Kyle Katarn on the big screen with his story. Dark Forces, Jedi Knight and Jedi Outcast i think it would be great and u could use Mark for Luke cause he's older and a teacher in the Academy. So I think it would work but alass I don't think there'll be any more SW movies but I can dream can't I
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JediMasterPickles Slowly Turning To The Dark Side!
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date Posted: Nov 19, 2005 12:48 PM
I'd love to see the back story of Jango Fett, everything leading up to him getting chosen as the Genetic Mould for the Clones. sort of following the SW BOUNTY HUNTER game. (chasing the Bando Gora, fighting Montross, meeting Zam Wesell, how he got Slave I) Everything.. but as a 2 - 6 part T.V. programme!
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Kynto Fett
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date Posted: Nov 19, 2005 1:06 PM
I wouldn't mind if people picked up the side stories, such as Jango Fett, Boba Fett, etc. But I'd like it more if people left the MAIN main characters of Star Wars alone. If you mess with the story, you'll ruin it, most likely. Anything in the WORLD of George Lucas would grab my attention, and I'd like to see that happen. But personally, I feel that people shouldn't continue the storyline at all. It's best left as is.
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W.E.B.
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date Posted: Nov 19, 2005 2:16 PM
This is truly a great debate. In the fans eyes we all want it to keep going. Rather it be some of the key characters or extra ones we see. Truly in my eyes the only way it should go is if it has a Lucas behind it. George himself or one of his kids. I just feel lucky enough to see 1-6. So if it's over for the movies, then we still have the TV series and collecting of merchandise of all kinds to keep us going in the future. So it will always live on in my life.
My opinion is don't ruin what we have. We are lucky enough the way it is. So thank you George and MTFBWY.
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JediMasterPickles Slowly Turning To The Dark Side!
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date Posted: Nov 19, 2005 3:44 PM
Oh yeah, And as of the 'Flogging a dead horse' aspect, I think Friends went on for 10? seasons with 15? episodes per season, and X-Files went on for years before they started running out of ideas. and that was with more or less the same characters every week.
Now i don't think one or two episode stories about the background characters wont ruin what we've all grown to love!
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jkelly There Is No Conflict
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date Posted: Nov 19, 2005 4:15 PM
I don't know about if/ how to go on, but I think the fact there is such a debate is a good thing, as it adds to the mythology of the Star Wars galaxy (if anyone's interested, here are more detailed thoughts). I don't want to take up a lot of room on someone else's blog.
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Son of a Bith The Cantina Corner
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date Posted: Nov 19, 2005 6:35 PM
I am worried that his kids will somehow screw with his legacy after he is dead. Inheritance of legacies is always tricky. Tolkiens kids have been fighting for years, and when PJ made the movies it got worse. There is also alot of controversy regarding the handling of Jimi Hendrix's estate.
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rickgelz
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date Posted: Nov 19, 2005 7:58 PM
I don't think there should be more movies, and I'm confident there won't be. GL has said that's it, and he has all the rights to Star Wars, so it can't be done without his approval. Sure, he changed his mind about doing Episodes I to III, but that was because technology had advanced to the point where he could make the backstory the way he had originally envisioned.
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rickgelz
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date Posted: Nov 19, 2005 7:59 PM
Also, I don't think he'd ever allow someone else to make more movies just to make money because he never sounds greedy to me. With the OT, he just wanted to make enough money with each to finance the next film, and after ROTJ to keep all the companies that he started to make the OT afloat. He sounds like he doesn't expect anything he does in the future to be financially successful, so he expects to use money from the PT and licensing to finance those projects and his effects companies. As far as his children allowing movies to me made after his death, they have all been involved in making the prequels, so I doubt they'd ever go against his wishes.
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rickgelz
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date Posted: Nov 19, 2005 8:12 PM
Besides movies, television is fine, as long as it isn't overdone and maintains high quality. Lucasfilm needs to be involved, especially on the live-action series. I think they did a good job with the Young Indiana Jones series, so I have confidence the live-action series will meet our expectations.
As far as EU books and comics, I'm all for it as long as Lucas Licensing continues carefully overseeing continuity, as they have since the first Zahn books and Dark Horse comics. There were at least 3 versions of "the bounty hunter on Ord Mantell" back in the day, and we certainly don't need conflicting interpretations of Jango, Boba, Luke, etc.
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Darth Vader7227 Anikan, the choosen one, but created by the sith
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date Posted: Nov 19, 2005 8:18 PM
Sure it`s a great way to make more do, but making a Star Wars TV series will KILL SW. GL should stick to books and the 1-6 movies, not a silly TV series!!! It`s discusting hearing this, I can not see SW die like this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Besides, GL will most likely to hire someone how will find cheap actors to play in the TV series, it ticks me off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The movies, same thing, some cheap actors will play in the movie and Star Wars will be discrasced and will be dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is disaponting
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JediMasterPickles Slowly Turning To The Dark Side!
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date Posted: Nov 19, 2005 8:28 PM
I am finding it really Difficult to understand why some people are more than happy to have EU books and comics but not T.V. shows.
It all expands on what GL has done with EPs I - VI and a book has just as much chance of being crap as a programme does!
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Inoel Jirau
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date Posted: Nov 19, 2005 9:36 PM
I don't see why, after a break, we can't have more SW movies. I would go for the Old Republic times, or when the Sith ruled the galaxy. They could hire a talented director who could bring a different style, reinvent the saga, sort of what Chris Nolan did to Batman. Quentin Tarantino would be the best choice. We've all seen what he can achieve, especially with dark themes (Kill Bill, Pulp Fiction, etc.)
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SW Ruler 84 The Biggest Fan
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date Posted: Nov 20, 2005 4:21 AM
Look, lucas said himself he would never let anyone else do it. His story is over. Star Wars won't be the same. And he's getting old. Sixty something old. It take ten years to do a trilogy. by then he'll be older than my grandfather.
Not gonna happen. The TV Series is great, so just be happy for that. And it's actually a real tv series also.
Just don't get your hopes up. According to Lucas the star wars movies are over
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jedimaster9459D A Jedi Master's Mindset
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date Posted: Nov 20, 2005 7:03 AM
What happened to your old blog name?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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Vatter Of Naboo
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date Posted: Nov 20, 2005 9:02 AM
George Lucas should try to remain active in the production and story of Star Wars. If he completely gave it to somebody else they might decide to do something stupid with it, like make it extremely violent or make it sexed up like many TV shows are anymore.
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jedijay493
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date Posted: Nov 20, 2005 10:32 AM
I think they should end with 6, and if they go ####her, George MUST be the one making it. But I think it's good that it stops at VI. The series can fill in gaps. He ended the story at VI, and what happens after that is for us, or him to decide.
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herrdirektor
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date Posted: Nov 20, 2005 12:20 PM
Maybe i'ts just a matter of time. Once his experiments with 3D have delivered the effect needed for future planned (?) movies, the adopted kids are a bit older and large enough to sit in a director's chair and the technology has leaped once more to a level high enough for shooting films with 100 % CGI environments and actors , do not feel surprised that SW will be back in blazing glory. It took a breakthrough in technology for Lucas to be confident enough to start working on the prequels; we might have to wait for another breakthrough to see another trilogy appear. I think this is a great blog and discussion b.t.w......
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ThrawnTheTerrible
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date Posted: Nov 20, 2005 12:20 PM
In origina Geotge Lucas had planned another trilogy. I have always felt there was something left out that the original could have had. I personally have always been partial to the writings of Timothy Zahn. I think a trilogy of movies on the first five books would work very well. But excpetians must be made. i am only for this if George lucas personally backs it andtakes a hand in something, maybe producer, maybe not. Also the films must have a willing and noteworthy director.
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Frostor
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date Posted: Nov 20, 2005 1:09 PM
I love SW, but I do not want to see any more SW movies, with the possible exception of a Tartakovsky-style animated feature based on SOTE (the only EU story I really like). 7-9 would be a bad idea; there simply isn't another story worth telling there. GL already condensed the original ideas for that trilogy into 6. We are only talking about 7-9 because GL originally did, but as it happened that he shrunk it all down a long time ago, there is no reason to continue with it. The story does not exist, and the post-ROTJ EU stories are some of the most dismal works in the entire EU. SW has a consistent style as well, and turning it over to someone else would be a mistake.
(cont)
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Frostor
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date Posted: Nov 20, 2005 1:14 PM
(cont)
As for the TV show, that's just fine. Hopefully it'll be good. But I'm really a proponent of a limited EU. I think there are too many books/comics/games as it is, with only a few decent ones. How much more do we really need? It all pales in comparison to the movies anyway. So I'm glad that GL has decided there will be no more movies. I don't want to have to anticipate the next one again and again. I mean, what if I die before it's all finished? How disappointing would *that* be? I like that the core, canonical story is done. I say that we should leave it alone.
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jedi_abba "Lets Blow this thing and go home!"
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date Posted: Nov 20, 2005 5:16 PM
As much as I love all the star wars movies, and I wish there would be more, I question them. If there were to be more under a different writer would they be as good? Would they still be star wars? Would they even keep the same concept?
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Darth Kevinmhk
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date Posted: Nov 20, 2005 6:08 PM
The Story has ALREADY continued, back to thousand of years ago
before the movies, and forward to ~50 years after.
You like it or not, the licensed continuity universe of Star Wars
DO exist and can be accessed by The New Essential Chronology
as a latest summary.
GL is great. But he is not a MUST. Nobody and nothing in the worlds
(reality world & fictional world) is a MUST. With or without GL,
Star Wars would go on, and had already done so.
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EthnVaderPhaser
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date Posted: Nov 20, 2005 7:31 PM
Contrary to popular belief, Star Trek did not become "ruined" after Gene Rodenberry was removed from the creative process. Instead the opposite happened, Nick Meyer and Harve Bennett were called in to save the Star Trek series when GR left the series in financial ruin (with the lack luster Star Trek The Motion Picture). Also contrary to popular belief is that George Lucas is a man who CAN do wrong. He turned his back on the story of Star Wars, insulted the fans, and left us with three prequels that where vastly less then what they could have been.
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EthnVaderPhaser
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date Posted: Nov 20, 2005 7:31 PM
The only reason Empire Strikes Back is the best of the Star Wars movies is because Irvin Kershner and Gary Kurtz had to fight against GL to create a good engaging story rather then taking the easy way out. For ROTJ GL hired a director who he could more easily control, the result is Ewoks, and an ultimately inferior sequel (Don't even get me started on the prequels). All of this was foreshadowed by Gary Kurtz who left the series as producer due to GL's unwillingness to contribute to the story of Star Wars in favor of the cheapest easiest way out (which also provided more money).
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xoccnodd Unlimited Power!! ....From The Desk Of Xocc Nodd
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date Posted: Nov 21, 2005 8:12 AM
BUt if we DID get 3 more episodes, there would be no reason to recast Mark, Harrison or Carrie - the story would pick up 25 years after ROTJ; they would look about the right age for their characters at that time, and the action would be more of about their children, I would expect...Luke would be the Yoda type....
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ashalleck
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date Posted: Nov 21, 2005 8:40 AM
You guys should know that the expanded universe has all the materials for many more star wars films all worked out. The interesting film would be about the Yuuzan Vong who don't appear in the force as we know it. That would be one scary sequence as the written sequence was originally. think of all the ancillary stuff for a YV series and it would introduce Jacen and Jaina, and anakin...new possiblities for new stars. Luke, Han and Leia can be as old as you want ... played if they are willing by the originals...or like james bond, someone new.
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jordan85
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date Posted: Nov 21, 2005 10:08 AM
no the expanded unizers shold stay as books before someone wraks star wars
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jainaandzekk
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date Posted: Nov 21, 2005 10:47 AM
It should go on but it has to have GL's backing for me to aprove of the movie!! I would hate to have a good story not back by GL turned into a movie! I know GL doesn't want to make another Star Wars movie so it would have to be with another director!!
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EthnVaderPhaser
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date Posted: Nov 21, 2005 3:03 PM
I like the way you think, EthnVaderPhaser - but do you think the movies would prosper under someone else? See my comments on part 1 of this blog - I had a nice back and forth with Hedec Ga
I think they would even more so. GL by no means knows what's best for the SW movies, his vision is constantly changing...hence the unending alterations to the DVDs. The fans need someone who is concerned about the quality experience of SW, and who doesn't let their ego get in the way of it's creative process.
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e82ndst Chillin at the Cantina!
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date Posted: Nov 21, 2005 3:35 PM
i dont like the expanded universe version of what happens after ROTJ. Its stupid and makes no sense to what Lucas has done. I would love 7,8 and 9. but it doesnt look like itll happen. the story does seem to end at 6 but i want to see more. it could be made under lucas film but not for many years. maybe i'll make em.
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Darth Kevinmhk
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date Posted: Nov 21, 2005 6:51 PM
somehow i love Post-Endor EU much more than
Prequel EU... and more than even some of the Prequel Movies
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E107 Theta
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date Posted: Nov 21, 2005 7:08 PM
I love Star Wars. It is easily my favorite series ever - and in my eyes it is the greatest story ever told. But even the greatest series need to end sometime. Episodes VII, VIII and IX are something I don't ever want to happen.
First of all, the story is concluded in Episode VI - the Empire is destroyed, Anakin becomes good again, the Emperor is killed, and balance is brought back to the force. Think of Star Wars as an essay - all you have after a conclusion is a bibliography. Star Wars is a single story - and in Episode VI that story ends.
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E107 Theta
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date Posted: Nov 21, 2005 7:08 PM
Continuing the series just because its popular will destroy Star Wars, like Star Trek (and if you add in the EU, it is already like it). Afterwards, you get a large, confusing, inconsistant convolted continuty, with irelevant storylines and spinoffs. Star Wars would grow old and wither. A lot of the post ROTJ EU strays far from Lucas' vision (Dark Empire, etc.), and because of this, this makes me like to consider the six films as canon, and nothing else.
I'm satisfied with what I have. Six movies are all I need as long as it tells a good story. And remember, just because new movies aren't being made, doesn't mean the old ones will go away. Series die quick when you resort to beating dead horses.
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E107 Theta
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date Posted: Nov 21, 2005 7:11 PM
Granted, 50 or so years in the future, I'm sure they're going to remake Star Wars, but if someone ever makes an Episode VII, as Luke would say "Then my Star Wars is truly dead."
Do I want more Star Wars movies? No. HELL NO. Don't fall to the dark side like Anakin just because you can't let go. All things will end eventually, and be satisfied in what you have now. Don't be blinded with desire for more.
Be careful what you wish for. You might just get it. And regret it.
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