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 | Defining Canon |
 In his blog entitled George Lucas and the Expanded Universe, Darth Talas provides some pretty convincing quotes from George Lucas (GL) and his consideration of the Expanded Universe (EU) as part of the Star Wars universe. While never using the word canon, GL does state that the works of the EU complement the films, as parts of the Star Wars universe not described in the films.
I added my two cents' worth to the roster of comments on Darth Talas' blog entry, but it got me thinking more about this while canon argument. It's something that I deal with regularly in my work on The Completely Unofficial Star Wars Encyclopedia, because it may or may not limit what I add into the encyclopedia database.
To try and end the debate, if only in my mind, I went to the Meriam-Webster Online Dictionary and looked up canon. Although most of the definitions were religious or legal in nature, there were two that stood out with respect to the Star Wars canon debate. From the primary definition of the noun canon, the second entry:
Canon - b : the authentic works of a writer c : a sanctioned or accepted group or body of related works
Interesting, don't you think, that both the authentic works of a writer and the sanctioned body of related works are both considered canon?
Taking the next step, Meriam-Webster defines the verb sanction in this way (from the second entry):
Sanction - to give effective or authoritative approval or consent to
This is, in effect, what GL has done to the works of the EU. Because all of them are ultimately copyrighted by LucasFilm Limited (or Black Falcon Limited), GL has sanctioned them as part of the [i[Star Wars[/i[ universe.
By applying these definitions to the quotes compiled by Darth Talas, it becomes obvious that the six Star Wars films created by GL are the "authentic works of a writer," and that the EU forms the "sanctioned body of related works." By definition, then, they are all to be considered canon, albeit "from a certain point of view."
Using the example I gave in my comment: let's say that there are four bystanders who witness a robbery. Even though each person sees that same series of events, they will probably provide different recountings when questioned later by the police or the media. One person - we'll call him George - will tell the story of the robbery by simply restate the facts. Another person will wildly exaggerate the events of the robbery, possibly including a car chase and a gun fight, while including themselves as the "hero" of the tale. A third person will take the point of view of the robber, explaining that they needed the cash to pay for their child's brain tumor surgery. The last person will take the point of view of the victim, explaining that the stolen cash was going to be used to buy toys for the local orphanage.
Every one of these stories is valid, from a certain point of view. OK, maybe the exaggeration isn't valid, but it will contain some nuggets of truth (the robbery did occur, after all). George's story may be considered the "authentic" version, but the others are related by the fact that they all pertain to the same event: the robbery.
In writing this, I'm reminded of the flak surrounding the "Who Shot First?" arguments that happened in the wake of the Special Edition of Episode IV. In the original version of Episode IV, we get the story of how Han Solo killed Greedo in the Mos Eisley Cantina. We see Han Solo slowly pull out his blaster and shoot Greedo dead, more than likely in self-defense. Because we never see Greedo shoot, we assumed Han Solo to be a cold-blooded killer, when in fact, he's not. He proves his moral fiber later on by coming to the aid of Luke Skywalker during the Battle of Yavin.
With the Special Editions, we see another version of the story, in which Greedo does take the first shot. Han then kills Greedo in self-defense. GL has now contradicted his own "authentic" story, showing it from a different point of view. The fact of the matter, hoever, is that Han Solo shot Greedo in the Mos Eisley Cantina. Greedo's dead, and Han killed him. The exact nature of the retelling of the events may differ from person to person, but Greedo's still dead and Han still killed him.
(Being 41 years old, I saw the original Episode IV in the theaters, and Han's cold-blooded killing of Greedo only served to make the events of the Battle of Yavin more poignant.)
In working on the encyclopedia entries, I find myself trying to take on the role of the first person (George) in the example above, documenting the facts as laid out in the stories. However, I often find myself taking a pro-Alliance stance in some entries, simply because I sided with them as the "good guys" when I watched the films. I know that there are Imperial versions of all the events, and I've tried to capture them as appropriate. When I find something that is obviously stretching the limits of the above definitions of canon (most notably, "Tilotny Throws a Shape" from the Devilworlds comics, or anything from the "Infinities" series of comics), I tend to note that the events were part of rumors or popular legends, or even part of Imperial propaganda (see the entry for Justice Star).
Now, here's what I wanted to type in the comment to Darth Talas, but couldn't fit into the 750-character limit:
If you are part of the group that only wants to consider the six Star Wars films to be canon, so be it. Just don't bash the others who want to consider the EU as well.
If you are part of the group that wants to consider everything canon, so be it. Just don't bash the others who want to only consider the films.
Ultimately, it's all part of the Star Wars universe, if only by definition.
Star Wars is meant to be fun. Let's all try to remember that.
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Bai Ahzur Bai Ahzur's usless, but hopefully entertaining, yet somewhat eneventful, however rewarding, blog.
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date Posted: Jan 12, 2006 10:26 AM
Oh how fascinating, a blog that does'nt ask a question. But instead, it offers us a unique look at the meaning of the word/term canoc. I have to say that this is an exciting blog, one that I can relate to. I often try to look at the point of view of everybody in the story. It makes one wonder what the battle in the Death Star hangar bay looked like from the STs view. The story that Star Wars tells becomes far more deep and complicated than what appears at first. All because of the different points of view. Even Obi Wan knew that.
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Jan 12, 2006 10:48 AM
Personally, I used to care about what was "canon" and what was "EU". But I stopped. There is a bubble that comprises the movies, and the rest of the EU dovetails with that. In some cases, EU explains origins, in some places, EU explains consequences, and in some places, EU tells the "untold" story that runs parallel to the events in the movies. Wherever EU doesn't dovetail, they make it clear that its not supposed to (see Visionaries).
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Jan 12, 2006 10:48 AM
EU is more closely scrutinized in the factory now than ever before, so I never get too jacked up about which fiction is more "real". My first viewpoint is that Fictional Fact is an oxymoron, and I proceed from there. It allows me to enjoy the entire buffet instead of trying to figure out if oysters are really oysters or not...
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Darth Rex0 So be it....
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date Posted: Jan 12, 2006 11:28 AM
Fictional Fact is an oxymoron
My sentiments exactly. Great blog by the way. I like the way you are backing up your opinions. EU is such a touchy subject to some people. I love the EU, but I take them as individuals stories that most of the time fit into the whole. SW is just a universe I like to "be in" so the EU books are a great tool to do that.
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Elflord_99
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date Posted: Jan 12, 2006 1:27 PM
Not to muddy the waters more, but what is considered EU? I consider everything before Palpatine and after ROTJ part of the EU world. Everything during the 6 film timeline, I consider canon. GL had to logically work out the backstories for the films, so these writers had a genuine guide which was GL. I haven't read the NJO novels, but I've been through the EU Databanks for teh NJO, these stories don't feel as authentic.
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Son of a Bith The Cantina Corner
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date Posted: Jan 12, 2006 1:39 PM
Bai, you are quite intelligent for a 15 year old.
I am an EU supporter, but I do think many of it should be trashed, like the above mentioned "Tilotny Throws a Shape." That just isn't Star Wars.
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Bai Ahzur Bai Ahzur's usless, but hopefully entertaining, yet somewhat eneventful, however rewarding, blog.
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date Posted: Jan 12, 2006 2:24 PM
But a fictional moron does still in fact, breathe oxygen, Fictional oxygen, maybe, but he still breathes it.
If you are indeed saying what you are communicating DV, than I LOL at that comment.
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jedimasterbird
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date Posted: Jan 12, 2006 3:34 PM
Nice blog the way you used the definitions of canon and sanction to prove your point was very convincing, I myself have never read any of the EU books but know the main jist of most of them and I think there good as they give other storys other than the Skywalker Trilogy. Some give story of the background life of the universe which make the Star Wars galaxy even more belivable. And like Elflord_99 said GL had to logically work out the backstories for the films, so these writers had a genuine guide which was GL. The writers actually used GL's character backstorys in there books which "from a certain point of view" means that some EU storys are in fact mostly canon.
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jedimasterbird
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date Posted: Jan 12, 2006 3:35 PM
By most storys I'm mean the one's set near enough the time of the OT & PT.
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Darth_Revor
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date Posted: Jan 12, 2006 6:57 PM
Probably the most overlooked reality in this debate... If Lucas ever wanted to, the EU would vanish forever.
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Diviner525 In the Flesh
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date Posted: Jan 12, 2006 6:57 PM
This is not a debate that I normally get too worked up about, since I really don't care what is considered canon and what is considered EU. In all honesty to me, only the films themselves are truly 'canon' material, since after all the Star Wars saga as George Lucas conceived it was intended for the film medium. The books, comics, games, etc. always seemed to make up the Expanded Universe to me, meaning they provided the backstories and histories not revealed in the films.
For example, even the Return of the Jedi novelization doesn't match the content of the films exactly - it has some inconsistencies with the films.
(cont)
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Diviner525 In the Flesh
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date Posted: Jan 12, 2006 7:01 PM
Having said that, I think the EU is really entertaining stuff for the most part (at least what EU I'm familiar with). In the end, that's the whole point, this is supposed to be fun and entertaining - and it is.
I think Dark Moose has the most logical view on this. Sometimes we need to remind ourselves, hey, this is all a fictional world. It's up to our imagination how we choose to perceive it all.
Very cool blog. D525.
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Darth_Revor
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date Posted: Jan 12, 2006 7:03 PM
If he ever felt the EU was "destroying" his vision, as I've heard more than one "fan" say, than Mr. Lucas could denounce and destroy the entire EU without anyone being able to stop him. Star Wars is his creation, and he OWNS it. While he does not read the EU, there are people appointed to oversee the EU to ensure they comply with certain guidelines. I recall a quote where it says George allows them to be relatively free, as long as they don't conflict and intrude on the times and places he has "reserved" to tell his story. But overall, the EU compliments, not conflicts, with the movies.
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Diviner525 In the Flesh
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date Posted: Jan 12, 2006 7:12 PM
Mr. Lucas could denounce or destroy the entire EU
But us fans would still find a way to get our EU fix. There would be black market copies of Hard Contact circulating everywhere, or Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter. There would become a new breed of streetcorner dealer.
The EU dope man. "Psst, hey buddy. Check this out. Cloak of Deception, hardly been used."
 D525.
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Darth Kevinmhk
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date Posted: Jan 12, 2006 7:43 PM
Talas' blog attracted many many response, i see.
As a huge EU fan, i considered every EU work in the
timeline of Star Wars (Except Tales / Infinities / Visionaries, of course)
No matter they are produced before or after the release of prequels.
Earlier days i cant stand Luke cutting off Vader's arm in Splinter of the Mind's Eye,
but days ago i saw Master Tsui Choi cut off Vader's wrist in Purge - Last Stand
of the Jedi. Then i thought, why cant Luke did that too? And finally accept
Luke cutting off Vader's arm in SOME
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janlomona Smugglers Rants
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date Posted: Jan 13, 2006 8:02 AM
Great to see the legendary Mr Vitas blogging in these here parts (don't know if you other bloggers reaslie it but Bob has compiled the biggest Star Wars database in the world - and that includes this here official site)
Great points made here. I write fan fic, and to me at least, it's as valid as the official stuff, but independant readers probably wouldn't think the same. If GL wrote it, it's cannon.
Which makes the '77 version of ANH cannon (and Han did shoot first - always did, alwayswill, otherwise Solo's character arc simply doesn't work).
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ahuggins
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date Posted: Jan 13, 2006 6:15 PM
Its all a big story and to each their own I say. Having grown up with the OT and now the PT I never bothered to read any EU till quite recently and the 3 or 4 books I have read I think fit quite well into the movies granted Ive only read books taking place in between the movies. I have no opinion of the stuff far before or after the 6 movies, but its all a story and its fun to get lost in a fantasy world and with no more movies to be made the only way to get a fix on new stories relating to them you are gonna have to pick up a book and read, which to alot of people is a new thing as there are tons more people now content with watching tv and movies and not ever picking up a book again, pretty sad if you are limiting yourself to one genre.
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ahuggins
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date Posted: Jan 13, 2006 6:26 PM
Its up to the individual to decide what they like to consider "canon" or not. Its not up to the rest of the people to bash them for their ideas or points of view. It defeats the purpose of a fantasy world which is supposed to be fun when people take it upon themselves to bash the you know what out of eachothers comments just becasue they dont agree with it. To put it quite simply if you dont like what you are reading then turn the page. Dont waste your time our ours by scribbling all over it just cause you didnt like what they said, move on and read something else that you enjoy as its all supposed to be fun!!!!
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ahuggins
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date Posted: Jan 13, 2006 6:26 PM
I'm new to this blogging thing but I cant beleive how many times I've read blogs where someone simply jumps in to call someone a name, or bash their ideas, to me it says something about a person when they do those things. That their lives are pretty sad when all they can do is bash people all the time, what got nothing better to do!!??
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Ello137 Apocalypse Later
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date Posted: Jan 16, 2006 8:49 AM
Thank you bob. I am a diehard EUist, and while I think that the "Purists" are burying their heads in the sand, as long as they don't try to shove mine in, I'm happy. The antagonism doesn't really make that much sense to me. If you think EU sucks, that GL hates it, and that KJA should be hit by an ICBM, tell your likeminded friends. If you think the Thrawn Trilogy is better than the Prequels, and that Stover should have a statue of him erected in every comic-con, tell your like minded friends. Leave each other alone.
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Ello137 Apocalypse Later
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date Posted: Jan 16, 2006 8:50 AM
And to touch on another point, writing this response has made me realize that arguments about say the Executor length are pointless b/c they all go back to the root question of how much EU counts. You have reformed me, oh Bob!
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Ello137 Apocalypse Later
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date Posted: Jan 16, 2006 5:58 PM
And finally 1 more point. If u want to add something, type cont. at the bottom of the first 750, ctrl-x the rest, paste and post.
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Nar Cranor Holochronicles: Continuity Hugs for Everyone!
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date Posted: Jan 26, 2006 8:57 AM
I really look at it all as "counting" in some way, shape or form. Its not so much fact, because as you said, it is all fiction. It is a matter of what should "count" and what should not. In many cases, such as the holiday special, EU is just something you want to forget. In others, EU is something that directly contradicts the films, or makes you think about film events in a different light than that intended by lucas. It is the hope that the majority of the latter are considered infinities. But all of it is EU. And I think it should be embraced by the creators.
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Nar Cranor Holochronicles: Continuity Hugs for Everyone!
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date Posted: Jan 26, 2006 9:01 AM
I mean, lets compare it to comics. At DC comics, they are currently doing a story called Infinite Crisis, which reaches back so deep into continuity, its rediculous. But the story is so amazing, and that is because it was birthed out of continuity. Story opportunities arise through serendipity when searching for "untold stories" through continuity. Ideas you would never have with a blank slate can come through that rich history.
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Nar Cranor Holochronicles: Continuity Hugs for Everyone!
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date Posted: Jan 26, 2006 9:03 AM
NJO, love it or hate it, is a great example of this. Of anything written for star wars, NJO was something that did a complete world tour of the entirity of star wars continuity. They used characters, locations and event references from old books, comics, novellas, and even RPG material. And the subsequent nerding out was plentiful. NJO would not have been anywhere near as rich a story if it wasn't so deeply embedded in the Star Wars Galaxy. No one would care about the upcoming Outbound Flight if it wasnt an EU mystery for 15 years. KOTOR the game was built in the shadow of TOTJ comic continuity. EU is just the gift that keeps on giving.
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Fish1941
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date Posted: Sep 25, 2006 11:29 AM
(Being 41 years old, I saw the original Episode IV in the theaters, and Han's cold-blooded killing of Greedo only served to make the events of the Battle of Yavin more poignant.)
Honestly, Han's cold-blooded killing of Greedo didn't make his actions above Yavin more poignant to me. I simply didn't care. However, I feel that his actions on Yavin were poignant, due to his earlier disregard for Leia's life on the Death Star.
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