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"I need to do some emergency gloating." ~Han Solo
by: v'TaiakEth
date posted: Feb 28, 2006 6:18 AM
Why we like villains
Well, two weeks ago, Brigham Young University held its annual sci-fi/fantasy symposium--Life, the Universe, Everything. For three days straight, a section of the student center was like a con with people in weird costumes, panels arguing about everything and lots of cool guests. In particular, it was fun because David Wolverton, Kevin J. Anderson and Rebecca Moesta were visiting authors.

I went to a panel on Friday morning that included David and Rebecca and it was discussing "Why do we like villains?" While David never got onto the subject of just why he laughed when I named Isolder as a villain, they did talk about ways to make villains more believable.

With that in mind, I was thinking of the villains of the SW movies. What makes them effective or not?

Dooku: The man seems to have no motivation. When you have a villain that gets all of his evilness from the books and onscreen generally goes "oh, crap, what can I drop on them so I don't have to fight any more?" it's not very believable. I'm not saying that he wasn't evil at times, but it seemed as though George were trying to make him conflicted as a predecessor of Vader and it just didn't come out as anything other than him being a party pooper with an overinflated opinion of his accent.

Maul: And speaking of no motivation, all we know about the guy is that he wants revenge and he's got a lisp. Maybe that's why he wants revenge, but I personally like a villain that I can somewhat sympathize with. In the OT and PT both, that was accomplished with the duel dialogue. In TPM, there WAS no duel dialogue. Sure, body language abounded and I loved his tendency to gloat and taunt, but I'm looking for more than a halloween costume to make me hate a guy.

Grievous: I hate the guy, not for his speech impediment or because I sounded like him last week when I got a lung infection, but because he's calculating and cold and there is no negotiation with him. That's a good thing! Finally, someone we can't count on to be nefarious. When he was killed, it was a necessary evil because he was just that.

Vader: Coolest bad guy ever. He's got the inner conflict that he tries to quash by murdering his own men when they fail him. He's got cool dialogue. He turns into the good guy at the end, eyebrows and all! So what if his reasons for turning to the dark side seemed to be written by someone who obviously learned romance in the 7th grade and never got quite past that.

Palpatine: Personally, I believe very strongly that Satan exists and when my mom told me about Palpatine being evil incarnate in ROTJ, I could believe it. I could believe it even more in the context of a line from The Usual Suspects: "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." I mean, my mom, the one who thought Palpatine was written as Satan on-screen, walked out of TPM and went "Well, things will go badly, but I'm glad that they have that nice Senator Palpatine on their side." I like that his motivations were highlighted so well and that he had so much ability to twist the inner workings of those around him.

Anyway, those are my thoughts on our bad guys.

  Darth Chockerious
date Posted: Feb 28, 2006 6:30 AM
well there are a few other bad guys, Jabba the Hutt, Boba and Jango Fett, Grand Moff Tarkin, Jar Jar Binks to name a few. Why do we like Bad Guys? Most likely they get away doing what we wish we could do sometime. Who has never wished they could choke someone from a distance when they mess something up? Vader can and does, even his own wife. (after thier first real argument).
  Michelle1968
M68- Star Wars Kid at Heart
date Posted: Feb 28, 2006 6:53 AM
Great blog! I loved in your reference to Palpatine how you compared his evil with the devil's. When you said that their greatest trick was convincing people that they don't exist is so true! Did your mom see AOTC and ROTS, and what was her reaction to being mistaken about old Palpatine?

SW is so in line with my opinion that life's all about the spiritual war between good and evil. I think we like to watch movies with bad guys, not because we are evil, but because it's in our nature to want to be thrilled in the theatrical portrayal of that war.
  Kenobi-fan
The Jundland Wastes Journal
date Posted: Feb 28, 2006 7:02 AM
Dooku: The man seems to have no motivation.
I agree that his motivations on screen are somewhat lacking but his character speaks to the ability of Palpatine to manipulate both the vicious killer (i.e. Maul) as well as the misguided idealist. What we see in Dooku is the death of the Jedi spirit and the loss of faith it's undergone, being replaced by a willfulness to manipulate events for a supposed better future. Rightly or wrongly, Palpatine has played upon this, giving Dooku the sense that he is working for a better society even if that requires an iron fist. I don't think it's Dooku's intention to be evil though his actions speak otherwise (just like Anakin).
  Kenobi-fan
The Jundland Wastes Journal
date Posted: Feb 28, 2006 7:02 AM
Dooku: The man seems to have no motivation.
I agree that his motivations on screen are somewhat lacking but his character speaks to the ability of Palpatine to manipulate both the vicious killer (i.e. Maul) as well as the misguided idealist. What we see in Dooku is the death of the Jedi spirit and the loss of faith it's undergone, being replaced by a willfulness to manipulate events for a supposed better future. Rightly or wrongly, Palpatine has played upon this, giving Dooku the sense that he is working for a better society even if that requires an iron fist. I don't think it's Dooku's intention to be evil though his actions speak otherwise (just like Anakin).
  Kenobi-fan
The Jundland Wastes Journal
date Posted: Feb 28, 2006 7:04 AM
(please delete my 'second' entry as well as this one...sorry.)
  luuke.skywalker
date Posted: Feb 28, 2006 7:13 AM
Arg! I so wanted to go to the symposium, but alas, I moved to Texas seven years ago and haven't made it back to Provo since. I have two sisters there in the neighborhood, but they made some excuses about going to work or some such...
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