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Sompeetalay's Source Blog
date posted: Dec 27, 2008 5:11 AM
The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
I've been reading The Complete SW Encyclopedia now for a few weeks and I feel ready to give a first review, based on what I've already read.

I must admit that my expectations for this book were low. I wasn't really a fan of the first edition so I feared that this edition would simply be a rehash of the original. I skipped the original encyclopedia because it copied information that I already had read in other books. Since I've read almost every sourcebook of SW, you cannot fool me with 'new' information about the movies and the tv spin-offs. I know immediately when certain information is new or when it isn't.

The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia surprised me, simply because it contains totally new information. Information that is published or confirmed in The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia for the first time ever in public.

Positive
* The biggest positive point to me is that the book contains new information. Of course the amount of new info compared to the amount of already existing information is minimal, the book does contain some interesting new updates and new confirmations. I hope to find much more new information because it'll take awhile to read the book from A to Z (literally).

I keep all the new information and new confirmations at the book's page on Yodapedia. It's in Dutch but you'll get the general idea what it's all about.
http://nl.starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Complete_Star_Wars_Encyclopedia

* Another positive point is that the book is up to date about the Clone Wars and The Force Unleashed, two recent important additions to the SW Saga.

* The book has a few new pictures that I had never seen before.

* The book finally clarifies some confusing issues such as the identities of Wooof and Klaatu.

* The book as a beautiful lay-out. No doubt about that.

* I wonder if my blog entry about Lieutenant Blount might have influenced his entry that finally stated that he was part of the Falcon crew during the Battle of Endor. Wouldn't that be nice? http://blogs.starwars.com/teekay-421/67

Negative
* My biggest problem with the book is that it contains way too much info on the NJO and the YV. I think that out of 20 entries, almost 6 to 8 are about the NJO, which is disturbingly high. Ask someone who doesn't know anything about SW to read a few pages and he'll ask for sure: "Those YV must be the central characters in SW, aren't they?". It does speed up my reading because I'm now skipping every entry with the letters YV in them.

I think it's sad to see certain unimportant characters from these novels are getting an entry while there are items and characters that appear in the movies who don't have a proper entry in the book.

* Entries from the post-RotJ EU always are very extensive and compared to entries from the movies they are too long.

* The entries of the species and creatures are very short. I know you can always check the New Essential Guide but that goes for every entry.

* Don't think that the book is free of mistakes. I have discovered some mistakes like the gender of Corporal Beezer or that the skull of the Ewok Battle Wagon is from a Bantha. I never knew that the horns from a Bantha were tusks? I thought they grew on the forehead of a Bantha.

Positive and Negative
Certain issues in the Encyclopedia are neither positive nor negative in my opinion.

* The encyclopedia has a very 'clever' way of adding entries indirectly in the book. For instance Sar Labooda is mentioned in Depa Billaba's entry but she doesn't have a proper entry herself (alas). A consequence of this is that the book can be very difficult to search for a certain item. When it is named but not as a proper entry, you will need a lot of time to find it in other, linked articles.

* As an editor myself, I know it must have been very difficult to decide what pictures would be used. But sometimes there are too few pictures in the book and certainly for fans that don't know source info well enough. For instance when you mention 'Baragwin' and you don't add a picture, fans who don't know what Baragwins are, will not know this by just reading the entry. So it's better to read the book and combine it with Wookieepedia (or Yodapedia) to check the pictures. I have no problem with it myself but I think it could be troublesome for others.

* Some 'equal' entries are treated unequally. For instance two characters with the same amount of screen time can either have a very short entry (5 lines) or a very extensive one (half a page). And it doesn't always have to do with the background that is already available. Sometimes the characters have the same amount of background and still the length of the entry can be totally different.

* The omitted sources of the articles are also neither positive nor negative. The positive side to this is that you don't have a series of Sourcecodes than nobody can decipher. The negative side to this is that you have to look further (in other sources) to check the true value of this entry.

* Changed spelling: I have noticed that some spelling concerning the Droids cartoons has changed. Ogger Baobab became Oggem Baobab and the Shamunaar turned into the Chamonaar. I have no problem with the new spelling but what's the reason behind this? I'm happy that the Droids Cartoons are treated rather well in this book. I hope to find some new info about them, such as the Argo Moon.

Conclusion
Once again keep in mind that have not finished reading The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia by a long shot. At this point, the book gets my thumbs up because it simply has new information. This means that the authors knew what they were doing and didn't just want to copy things like the monks did during the Middle Ages. It may sound like a silly point but when you already have read all the existing info, it's a very important issue, trust me. Paying almost ? 100,00 for a book with no real new info would have been a bit painful.

The book is always interesting to read because you know there can be new information anytime, which makes it inviting to continue your reading.

If I could have changed anything about the book - which of course I couldn't - I would have replaced 80% of the NJO entries with every known entry that appears in the movies (characters, creatures, species, weaponry, technology, whatever). I would also have created more new information about things and characters from the movies that still don't have a proper name.

I guess that for people who have not read all the sourcebooks, The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia has loads of new information but trust me, only the peak of the iceberg is new. But isn't that exactly what we notice?

kyle228
Truly Wonderful, the Mind of a Child Is...
date Posted: Dec 27, 2008 9:19 AM
I got the Encyclopedia for Christmas, and I love it! I do agree with many of the things you said. I think the thing I was most impressed with was the presentation of the book. It was wonderfully laid out and it looks amazing. I especially like the covers.

Great review, and MTFBWY, A!
Sompeetalay
Sompeetalay's Source Blog
date Posted: Dec 27, 2008 10:46 AM
Thx Kyle for the nice comment. I agree with you about the covers. They're indeed very nice but they don't fit very well inside my box. I'm thinking about keeping them seperate.
kyle228
Truly Wonderful, the Mind of a Child Is...
date Posted: Dec 27, 2008 3:52 PM
No probs! :) Ya I did notice that... getting that third book in is sometimes troubling.
The Stooge
Star Wars Joke-A-Day
date Posted: Dec 27, 2008 9:11 PM
Great review! I'm more of a movie guy than an EU guy, so I feel your frustration about the NJO stuff. But I guess they had to appeal to everyone, and folks in bookstores are probably book fans. :)
  The Viridian Saber
Virtual Unrealities (A victim of Order 66.)
date Posted: Dec 27, 2008 9:41 PM
Those YV must be the central characters in SW, aren't they?". It does speed up my reading because I'm now skipping every entry with the letters YV in them.

Well, the Vong invasion was sort of more important for the whole galaxy than the backstory of certain characters. Abrasive, but true. ?:|
Sompeetalay
Sompeetalay's Source Blog
date Posted: Dec 28, 2008 2:57 AM
- I don't want every post-RotJ entry to disappear but I would have liked that the entries were written according to their importance.

- I never saw any invasion happening in the movies. I don't think that George Lucas created the YV, so they should never be as important as anything from the movies. And I don't mean they should disappear from the book. I'm just wondering why certain characters that appear in a simple spin-off EU novel get an entry, while characters that appear in the movies and have thus been authorised by Lucas himself (otherwise they would have been cut) don't. By reading the book it seems like the NJO was created by Lucas and that those were in fact what the movies were about.
  The Viridian Saber
Virtual Unrealities (A victim of Order 66.)
date Posted: Dec 28, 2008 5:09 PM
I don't think that George Lucas created the YV, so they should never be as important as anything from the movies.

Really? The Expanded Universe is partially why Star Wars has been able to remain alive and active for so long. It's half of the story, and, as such, some of the more prominent EU characters are, inherently, more important than a nameless cantina patron.
Sompeetalay
Sompeetalay's Source Blog
date Posted: Dec 29, 2008 1:08 AM
"I get asked all the time, 'What happens after "Return of the Jedi"?,' and there really is no answer for that," -- George Lucas

I never said to delete all EU entries in the book. Like you said, let's keep some of the more prominent ones and replace the less prominent ones with unknown facts from the movies.
Bubba1227
Ramblings of a Completely Unofficial IA Engineer
date Posted: Dec 30, 2008 4:26 AM
Thanks, Tim, for the write-up (and on my birthday, too!). I remember the Baobab thing, because I went searching through the CUSWE for it. In the mad scramble to get things done, it must have slipped through the cracks.
  KiMiTe
date Posted: Jan 04, 2009 12:59 PM
Thanks for a great review. I'm soon getting a copy myself.

One thing I noticed first on Yodapedia was the new Jedi Melik Galerha, from the Jedi briefing room. As we don't see the actual briefing, are all the Jedi leaving that room named now?

I get really excited when new things turn up like this. I wonder how much more there are from the prequels which hasn't been published yet...
  KiMiTe
date Posted: Jan 04, 2009 1:11 PM
Oh, one more thing. I don't understand Dutch very well but does the Yodapedia say that Billaba and Labooda are sisters?
Sompeetalay
Sompeetalay's Source Blog
date Posted: Jan 04, 2009 1:35 PM
Hi, thx for the nice words :)

Oh ... there are tons and tons of information that can still be published. The questions is indeed how much is already written and how much should still be written ...

* There are still some unnamed Jedi from the Briefing Room. One bald one can be seen in the Chronicles and the Encyclopedia shows a picture of an unnamed Jedi with the article of Lightsaber Combat.
* Your Dutch is better than you think. The book does confirm that Depa and Sar are sisters.

Feel free to contact me about anything you like. It's always nice to meet fellow source fans :)
Maso Tirag
Maso's Musings
date Posted: Jan 05, 2009 10:36 AM
The book, IIRC, is written from the point of view of a team of historians from the future. I'm guessing that they focused on an era from which there is a lot of 'in universe' sources. A recurring theme in SW is the discovery of lost information...maybe they didn't have access to all the information they wanted.

Look at our own history...there is a lot of info on, WWII, Vietnam, and GWI. Books, DVD's, magazines, video games, 'net databases. Not as much info for WWI or Korea.

However, I am curious as to how the editors went about selecting what did and didn't make the cut. Maybe a 'behind the pages blog?

Seriously, I'm curious...why did the DC-19's make the cut, but not the clone Shadow Troopers themselves? ;)
Sompeetalay
Sompeetalay's Source Blog
date Posted: Jan 05, 2009 11:07 AM
That would be a nice excuse :p I totally understand your idea but the Encyclopedia isn't written in-universe. I never saw anything about it in the book anyway.

But hey, you asked the correct question at the end :) Why would they want to add somebody who is created to 'appear' in one book and dies in the same chapter while certain characters from the movies are still unnamed or absent from the book?
Maso Tirag
Maso's Musings
date Posted: Jan 05, 2009 11:40 AM
Volume 1, pg ix:
"Like the first encyclopedia, the in-fantasy conceit of this one is that it has been compiled by some omniscient committee of historians and scholars taking alook back over tens of thousands of years of galactic history."

A committee. Well, that answers my question! No committee *ever* agrees on everything...so the future (past?) "historian" who pushed for clone Shadow Trooper inclusion got voted out by a cabal of Bozzie fans...probably the same ones who chose not to include WegSphere.

As for the characters still unnamed, I like to think that they'll open up the What's The Story? feature again, or something like it, so that the unknown can be contributed to by the fans.
Sompeetalay
Sompeetalay's Source Blog
date Posted: Jan 05, 2009 12:10 PM
Hmm I didn't remember that about the historians. It still feels a bit strange because it's included in the foreword (I guess).

Unnamed characters: Or they could simply start updating the Visual Guides on SW.com once more ... :)
  The Viridian Saber
Virtual Unrealities (A victim of Order 66.)
date Posted: Jan 18, 2009 1:09 AM
A question. If a piece of information that was not previously canon is in the Encyclopedia (Ex. Jedi cannot wear their hair a certain way) is it now canon?
Sompeetalay
Sompeetalay's Source Blog
date Posted: Jan 18, 2009 2:01 AM
Of course it is. The Encyclopedia is an official source. Just consider that some sources are more valuable than others.
  The Viridian Saber
Virtual Unrealities (A victim of Order 66.)
date Posted: Jan 18, 2009 11:42 PM
What if two EU sources contradict one another?
Sompeetalay
Sompeetalay's Source Blog
date Posted: Jan 19, 2009 4:00 AM
I can only tell you what I do if that happens:
1° I see what kind of source it is. Check the graduations of Canon :)
2° I follow the most recent source as long as it clearly doesn't have mistakes.
FAN4YRS
A Rebel's Ramblings
date Posted: Sep 14, 2009 8:17 AM
This is a very thorough review. Thanks for taking the time.
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