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 | Why couldn't Mace wait? |
 Time and time again after watching Episode III, I wonder why Mace Windu didnt wait and plan an effective attack on the newly discovered Sith lord. I mean really, if your going to make an attempt to arrest a powerful sith lord, you'll need a better plan than to just show up and ask for complience. Complience and giving up are just not sith attributes. They do and will resist with everything they've ever learned while in training. Palpatine and his influence was greatly under-estimated by Mace and the jedi-council.
As a matter of fact I dont think that there was even a meeting of the entire council to discuss what exactly should go on and more importantly who should go to carry it out. (Maybe there was an extension in the book about this but I forget if there was). Though Mace made a good apparent decision to make Anakin stay behind, it would not have made a difference. Because if he had been there from the start to see what Palps did to diserve to be killed and be "too dangerous to be kept alive", Anakin's jealousy greatly overshadows his ability to make good judgement calls, and it would have resulted in a similar outcome.
I've also considered many times what may have happened had Yoda been included in the arrest attempt. He was pretty much an even match up for Palpatine alone and with Mace with him, they could have over come Palpatine with some ease and prevent Anakin from making a dark decision that ultimately shapes the rest of his life. But instead the quantity over quality mistake was made, though three jedi masters were taken with Mace, they didn't have the neccesary skills to compete with a sith lord of that magnitude.
Maybe the council should have called Obi-Wan to come back to Coruscant before carrying out the arrest because they know that he has the best control over Skywalkers conflicting emotions. Even Windu sensed this great confusion within Anakin. So maybe something else could have happened there as well.
All in all a better decision to de-throne Palpatine could've changed the dark and gruesome outcome of the galaxy and the Republic.
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Kenobi-fan The Jundland Wastes Journal
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date Posted: Aug 31, 2006 10:08 AM
Time and time again after watching Episode III, I wonder why Mace Windu didnt wait and plan an effective attack on the newly discovered Sith lord.
EXACTLY! Arrogance, shear and utter arrogance. I've heard time and again that the Jedi are not as 'dangerous' as I've proposed in blogs such as 'Order 66' yet here again we see Jedi acting of their own accord (did Yoda even know?) - to unseat the properly elected leader of the Republic no less. The fact that he's a Sith Lord is irrelevant unless there is a provision against such people holding public office and even then the Jedi still took the law into their own hands. Time was on their side and Mace threw it away.
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darth maul517 Darth Jedi Maul Secura
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date Posted: Aug 31, 2006 10:14 AM
I agree he was stupid,he acted in horrible way.I think the first mistake was sending yoda to Kashyyk,in the novel it said to make them appear weak,and that yoda would still be near by.Second i think the Mace underestimated palps,obviosly,that is why the other jedi were asked,and they were all considered to be the est swordsman of the time.great blog
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bstrunk
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date Posted: Aug 31, 2006 10:26 AM
Hrmmm... Its been a while since I read the RoTS book, but I think I recall Mace sensed a Shatterpoint in Anakin, and in the situation, and did what Mace does. Act.
I believe though that at the very least he should have sent out an alert, and quickly, to the rest of the Jedi in the field. In the Novel I know that they secured the Temple, but Anakin's knowledge of the defenses rendered that moot. Mace had to know that if Palp was the Sith, then the Jedi order was heartbeats away from extinction.
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obi-dil kenobi
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date Posted: Aug 31, 2006 10:49 AM
simple answer read episode 2 i think it was. every jedi was arrogant except obi wan and ani because how the h e double hockey stick did anakin kill all those jedi masters thet were wayyyyyyyyyy stronger than obi wan suc as cin drallig he was said to be one of the best duelers there. how the f*ck did he die.
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TheBothanBoy The Curious Bothan's Life Size Blog Archive
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date Posted: Aug 31, 2006 10:49 AM
I done a blog about this once
My Theory
Hrmmm... Its been a while since I read the RoTS book, but I think I recall Mace sensed a Shatterpoint in Anakin, and in the situation, and did what Mace does. Act.
Just finished this chapter this morning!!!! and your right. Anakin was not in a fit state at the time.
Gd Blog
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stormtrooper-tk471 Crazy Cantina esCapades
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date Posted: Aug 31, 2006 11:01 AM
Thanks everyone for commenting
Mace had to know that if Palp was the Sith, then the Jedi order was heartbeats away from extinction.
Mace was definitely acting upon instint
I done a blog about this once
Im not surprised, there is alot of controversy on this subject.
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Masterkoel
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date Posted: Aug 31, 2006 12:04 PM
maybe the shatterpoint in anakin was misread by mace and anakin was palp's shatterpoint not the jedi's
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masterjedi5.6
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date Posted: Aug 31, 2006 1:51 PM
That was his plan but it wuzn't a good one at all . He he was a sith since Ep. 2 he was probaly planning but it worked out bad .
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Darth Alain110990
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date Posted: Aug 31, 2006 5:57 PM
yeah he should have take 4 jedi masters XD
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JediMelindaWolf Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
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date Posted: Aug 31, 2006 6:34 PM
I'll echo K-fan's sentiments - arrogance usually got the better of the Jedi.
However, I think the Jedi acted as quickly as they did because they truly believed time was of the essence. The cat already was out of the bag once Palpatine revealed himself to Anakin. Palpatine knew Anakin was headed back to the Jedi Temple to report his findings. There was the chance that Palpatine could have escaped if the Jedi did not act quickly.
Of course, that proved to be their undoing.
IMO, had Anakin not intervened, Mace would have defeated Palpatine. Mace was weakening the Sith Lord, and the JM would have emerged victorious.
Of course, the story could not have followed that arc.
MTFBWY
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Lord Nightstalker
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date Posted: Sep 01, 2006 7:14 AM
Oh man, this is a GOOD one!
In defense of GL: The Book says( more or less )that Mace's only true passion in life is the Republic itself. So taking that logic, it kind of breaks down like this:
You've spent the whole day baking a nice chocolate cake. You leave the room and then come back to find a big, fat rat eating your nice chocolate cake. What do you do?
1) call for backup?
2) kill that sorry little cake-eater?
See what I mean?
Now, in your defense:
You're absolutely right. It was rash and irresponsible to just rush right over to the Senate and expect all would be Jedi bliss. Just watching the movies, you don't really get a sense of what Mace Windu is really all about. His thought processes are simply not there to be seen.
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Lord Nightstalker
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date Posted: Sep 01, 2006 7:18 AM
Mace's biggest mistake was to leave Anakin at the Temple. Had he been part of the posse, and had he seen Palpatine make the first aggressive move, Palpatine's arrest would have been a done deal. If I had sensed that conflict in Anakin, I would have kept him right where I could keep an eye on the little bugger.
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freshprice1694
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date Posted: Sep 01, 2006 12:14 PM
good points, all of u.
heres my therey: the clone wars had just ended, right? when greiveus was killed. mace had no idea what palps might try and do next. i mean if he was at the temple, isnt it possible that he would have just been killed that way? when anakin and the clones came to attack it?
besides, when he was going with the other jedi to arrest him, who knows? it took them a little while to get there, so maybe the discussed plans then?
im not saying im right or ur wrong, just putting another therey onto the table.
ps: i do agree that it wasnt the wisest move mace ever made, but was really THAT dumb? theres only so much u can do when yoda is on kashyyyk and anakin is going crazy...
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stormtrooper-tk471 Crazy Cantina esCapades
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date Posted: Sep 01, 2006 12:59 PM
first off, kudos for everyone for making great points
yeah he should have take 4 jedi masters XD
Now that would've been something
Oh man, this is a GOOD one!
Your too kind
Lord Nightstalker
^^^Very good points. Especially the passion logic.
theres only so much u can do when yoda is on kashyyyk and anakin is going crazy
Your right it would be hard for anyone to make a decision with all that stress. However its all the more reason to reconsider. Right?
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