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date posted: Feb 04, 2006 2:12 AM  |  updated: Feb 04, 2006 2:21 AM
The importance of Darth Maul
I don't know about everyone else but I'm of this idea that Darth Mauls death was an unfortunate incident and wasn't supposed to happen. Darth Maul was supposed to kill the Queen and he was supposed to kill the two Jedi protecting her. That was his mission and he wasn't sent there to get "killed off" so that Sidious could take a new apprentice. The fact is that Anakins potential was unknown to Palpatine at this time so he couldn't have planned ahead. Maul was vital to Sidious plans. He was a killing machine and if I for once will follow the EU leading up to the Phantom Menace, Maul was a very effective killing machine taking out several people that Sidious thought stood in his way. Even if we disregard the EU, it's still pretty clear that Darth Maul is someone very important to Sidious and that he's effective in his work. So why would Sidious want to kill off such an important underling? He didn't, it was all unforeseen.

So that's why I believe that the untimely death of Maul was a blow to Sidious plans and it was only through the appearance of Anakin that Sidious could continue with his plan albeit being forced to change it a bit. Sidious had to be more manipulative and take more risks to succeed with his plan which made everything more complicated for him and which could've cost him his life. If Darth Maul had still been there, everything would've been more streamlined. If we try to picture the scenario that Maul has now killed off both Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan. He goes after the Queen and kills her and the soldiers helping her. This way Mauls secret identity is still maintained which was Sidious plan from the start. The Jedi would be surely unsure and unnerved at what has happened which gives the Sith an advantage. An advantange they lost when Maul was killed and Obi-Wan could report back to the Council on what happened. Later on I believe that Maul would play apart in the Clone Wars, most likely assuming the role General Greivous, meaning that Maul would be a Jedi hunter. It makes sense, doesn't it? It's a well known fact among Star Wars fans that Maul more or less lives on his hate against the Jedi and it is what drives him, so here Sidious would have the ultimate weapon to kill Jedi with.

The more I think about, the more I see that Grievous as an emergency solution so that Sidious plan would work. Greivous is all machine and that's what aids his fighting skill. It's impressive but when faced with a Force user, Greivous has difficulties. Dooku isn't a killing machine, actually for a Sith, he manages to keep his emotions hidden and doesn't utilise them the same way Maul did. Dooku is the civilized face of the Separatists and gives their cause credability. If they let Maul hold center stage, that credability would be shot down.

So, would Darth Maul be the scourge of the Jedi? Could it have been Darth Maul marching up to the Jedi Temple? It's hard to say, since this hypothesis deals with so many variables but I believe this could've happened. I'm pretty sure that Maul also knew what Sidious was up to, with his: "Soon we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. Soon we will have revenge", which is a contrast to Dooku and Greivous who believed themselves to be fighting a corrupt government. Maul knew that the Sith would take over through manipulating a war and not by fighting a war. The only thing I'm sure of is that Sidious' plan would've worked easier with Darth Maul alive and that he was much more important then Greivous or Dooku.

  Generalyoder
date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 2:58 AM
I agree i have always thought so
darth maul is best ]:)
  Generalyoder
date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 3:01 AM
I also believe that darth maul would become truly powerful if he would have lived longer he would be able to kick yodas a ss
jedimaster203
"I think I bent my wookiee"
date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 3:22 AM
Scourge of the jedi?
He was killed by a padawan who jumped out a hole. The same padawan who was later schooled by Dooku. As for being able to kill Yoda. I highly doubt it. And thats not because I'm a huge Yoda fan.

Maul was a tool, he was just holding a place for the Chosen One.
  Sid
Sid's Blog of Ultimate Knowledge!
date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 3:34 AM
Although it does sounds like a pretty good theory... If you believe that Sidious created Anakin by manipulating the midichlorians then this plan does sort've slice in two and fall down a hole, no? :)

I guess it all depends on what you think of Anakin's creation.


But, other than that, I like the sound of it. :D
  dimitrijaffa
date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 4:16 AM
So, would Darth Maul be the scourge of the Jedi? Could it have been Darth Maul marching up to the Jedi Temple?

Actually now that you mention it, throughout 'Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter' there are numerous references to Darth Maul's premonitions of the Jedi Temple burning. Well, I think they are premonitions, maybe they're just his desires.

And about Maul being killed by a padawan, by that stage, Obi-Wan was clearly ready to face the trials, thus having the skills of a Jedi Knight.
  dotish
date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 4:21 AM
But then what about Darth Vader would he be gone?
  SW Ruler 84
The Biggest Fan
date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 4:22 AM
I think that Dooku and Grievous are nothing to Darth Maul. For a humanoid he was just too COOOOOL to die. But I think the will of the force is what let him die. To make room for anakin
  Osilio Remus
date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 4:23 AM
Man it would be sweet to see Darth Maul walk up the stairs to the temple instead of Darth Vader. Gee... and see his smile when killing the younglings.. now thats pure evil.
  yoda´s waiter
Not if anything to say about it I have!
date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 4:58 AM
Awesome, this entry has only been up for 2 h 30 mins and already got some good replies. Thanks :D

He was killed by a padawan who jumped out a hole. The same padawan who was later schooled by Dooku

Maul became arrogant at the wrong moment. Same goes for Dooku against Anakin in ROTS and the Emperor against Luke in ROTJ. It's a common flaw among the Sith ;)

Although it does sounds like a pretty good theory... If you believe that Sidious created Anakin by manipulating the midichlorians then this plan does sort've slice in two and fall down a hole, no?

Indeed. But I don't like the idea of Anakin being created by Palpatine for a purpose, so...
  yoda´s waiter
Not if anything to say about it I have!
date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 5:01 AM
But then what about Darth Vader would he be gone?

Yeah, I noticed that to when thinking about this scenario. Basically, Maul takes over the role from Vader. Essentially, if Maul lived, we'd have a totally different story.

Heck, maybe if Maul had remained by Sidious side, the Empire would've lasted a long time and maybe even Maul would've slain Sidious and taken his place.
  force_j3g
It aint easy being a Star Wars fan
date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 5:52 AM
The reason why Darth Maul died was for the sake of the Star Wars plot. But for the longest time after episode 1 there were rumors about that Darth Mauls clone was killed off by Obi Wan. Obvioulsy we found that false when episode 2 came out. Although it would have been cool to see Darth Maul fight yoda in episode 2.
  SithMonkey11
date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 6:37 AM
Well, yoda's waiter, it is a good theory because Maul did fall into a melting pit, so that would give him the need for cybernetic implants. But there is another side to that, being why wouldn't Maul, if he was Grievous, just use his double bladed lightsaber again? Possibly inconspicousness. Possiby because that style had failed him before. But alas, if you read the General's databank, it will prove us all wrong. Sob Sob. You were the best of enemies, Darth Maul. I loved you. Rest In Peace. ( or utter malice and hatred for the Jedi. Whatever.)
  SithMonkey11
date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 6:43 AM
OOOPS! I misread. I thought you said that Maul was Grievous. Dang dang dang. I wasted a theory.
  yodafueva
Journal of a mad SW and HP fan
date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 6:48 AM
finnaly, yoda's waiter is back!!
  Blue leader46
The CIS Shadowfeed Department
date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 7:10 AM
Maul WAS expendable for Sidious. It says so in Labyrinth of Evil, that Maul had been just a minion like Grievous and Assaj Ventress.
  Kenobi-fan
The Jundland Wastes Journal
date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 7:20 AM
While Darth Maul is cool, all of Palpatine's apprentices were expendable. It's seems short-sighted of Palpatine to not have forseen or planned for this, when he knew how to manipulate both the Jedi Order and the Senate. Sith 'apprentices' are tools - nothing more. True evil holds no such sentiments - and neither did Palps. He wanted nothing more than 'absolute power' and only needed those who could get him that. Maul failed because Maul was weak; Palpatine gladly moved on to another Sith apprentice. Let's not attach attributes to someone as heartless as Palpatine was.
  DarthAmstutz
date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 7:21 AM
I just love darth maul and that he is the coolest ... but maul vented all his anger and hatred and power at the begging of a battle. count dooku has more class and a overall better fighter. And if u read Labrynth of Evil then u learn that dooku thinks that using a double-bladed lightsaber like maul is crude and not effective. Dooku also thought the same thing about Grievous. This is y i think darth maul was not a neccesity to Sidius. But i do like the theory and love Darth Maul]:)
  Borma Feng
The Crack of Doom!
date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 7:38 AM
It does seem like Sidious is trying to replace Maul with Vader; to get the ultimate Jedi-killing apprentice, which is why he's disappointed with cyborg Vader. To me, Anakin seems to act very much like Maul during the Separatist slaughter - his folded arms pose standing in front of Gunray reminded me of Maul.
  Kantina_Scum
date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 7:55 AM
I believe any apprentice of a sith master is just a tool. I belive any sith apprentice belives their own master is just a tool. A tool to become more powerful perhaps? In Ep1 Anikin was not yet in Sidious' plan, until he learned of his abilities. Even if Maul didnt die, I belive Sidious would take the more powerful. Anikin mother would still die, Anikin would still be arrogent. In the end Anikin and Maul would face off and the victor would be the one marching in to the Jedi temple.
  Generalyoder
date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 8:11 AM
In the end Anikin and Maul would face off and the victor would be the one marching in to the Jedi temple. YEAH AND MAUL WOULD KICK HIS ###
  yoda´s waiter
Not if anything to say about it I have!
date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 8:17 AM
finnaly, yoda's waiter is back!!

Hey, a fan B-)

Palpatine gladly moved on to another Sith apprentice. Let's not attach attributes to someone as heartless as Palpatine was.

I'm not saying that Palps was saddened by Mauls demise but I do believe it threw his plans a bit off-course. I believe Mauls role was to be a Grevious/Vader type of one. I see this in the simple line of "revenge against the jedi". Maul knew something that Greivous, Dooku and Ventress didn't. And Palps did go through much to turn Anakin. The crashing of the Invisible Hand and revealing himself to Anakin doesn't seem particulary well foreseen or manipulated ;)
  Diviner525
In the Flesh
date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 9:12 AM
yoda's waiter: I agree with your opinion that Maul's death was unforeseen at the time of the Naboo crisis, the Sith are certainly very confident in themselves. But once Maul was killed Palpatine simply moved on and adjusted his plans accordingly. I've always felt that Palpatine's plans were flexible and able to adapt. Grievous was nothing more than a weapon. However, Dooku was vital to starting the Clone Wars - and possibly Palpatine would have eventually pitted Maul against Dooku, the stronger of the two would be his Sith apprentice. The loser would die. Such is the Sith way.

D525.
  Numéro7
date Posted: Feb 04, 2006 11:54 AM
Yeah , I agree, yoda's waiter and Diviner 525, I think Sidious intended to go all the way with Maul. (I don't know if comic's count but in dark horse comic 'Darth Maul' Maul's even stronger and uses force powers.) I do not believe Anakin was created by Palps, so it seems to me that when Maul was gone, Palps found an even better option in Anakin. As he says: 'we will watch your career with great interest.' Maul was his weapon, he was well trained, but Maul died, so he took Dooku as an interim (not making fun of him but I don't like him that much) untill Anakin was ready... at least, that's my opinion.
  The Infinite Force
Infinite Galaxy Of Fun - (Retired Archive)
date Posted: Feb 13, 2006 1:40 PM
Good points and good writing as always. Good to see you back in red!
  ghostjedi17
date Posted: Mar 01, 2006 6:52 PM
Grevous was not a tool. he was inporace. he had 5 ways to help

1. to stop Obi from convinceing ani from turning.

2. to kill Obi so Anis son won't be trained.

3. to kill Obi so ani would be more enraged.

4. to add more time for the war.

5. to escort the sepys to Mustefar.

for Dooku what Diver said.]:)
  Tu®gon
Gondolin
date Posted: Mar 05, 2006 3:47 PM
Hmm, interesting. My thoughts lie along the same lines as a lot of the people who commented here, that Maul definetely was important, and that his death threw Palpy's plans a bit off-course and made him have to accelerate his operations, but on the other hand I can't see Maul killing that many Jedi like Grievous/Vader did. Dooku was of a completely different class than Maul, a whole other fighting style with a saber, and infinitely larger force powers. Had Maul faced Mace or Yoda, he would have had his butt handed to him without them ever drawing a lightsaber I think.
  Tu®gon
Gondolin
date Posted: Mar 05, 2006 3:47 PM
Dooku studied the force, and force powers. Maul was useful for Palpy, but he was also expandable should he be proven too weak. YW, you say Dooku believed himself to be fighting a corrupt government, I have to disagree. As he told Obi-Wan, he knew that Sidious was running the republic. He knew Sidious was striding for Emperor, he just didn't know he was to be replaced by Anakin. He still knew as much as Maul ever did I'd say. It's just you can never stay one step ahead of Sidious, because his plans change fast. Always in motion, the future is.
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