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 | What is Palpatines first name? |
 Alongside Yoda's species, the Whills and Anakins conception, Palpatine's first name is one of those Saga mysteries that you want an answer to, but at the same time don't because you like the mystery of it all.
On the surface, it looks fairly mundane. A name. It's not exactly as juicy as Anakins conception. It's nearly not as intriguing as the Whills. Really, the name is nothing special. It wouldn't add to the character would it?
Yet, not giving a major player in the whole Saga a first name is interesting. It is a fairly simple task after all. You don't exactly have to think to hard. George Lucas could've just said " Bob Palpatine" and that would be it. Maybe the fans wouldn't have liked it, but it would still generate loads of discussion:
Bob Palpatine. Like it or not?
Is Bob just his nickname or his real name?
Bob can't be Palpatines first name. It's surely Robert or Roberto
Can you call Palpatine Rob or Bobby?
And so on.
But Lucas chose not to. He chose to leave it up to speculation. And speculate is what I'm going to do now!
Initial reaction would possibly be to delve into the earlier drafts and search for an older incarnation Palpatine with a different name, hopefully a first and last one. It's happened several times in the Saga that names from 30 years ago reappear in the Prequel Trilogy, such as Bail Antilles, Mace Windu, Utapau and so on. It's perfectly reasonable that this too would be the case with Palpatines first name.
When I delved into the second draft of Star Wars during my exploration of the second draft you will stumble across the name of Espaa Valorum, Darth Vaders Master and Master of the Bogan (the Dark Side in earlier drafts). This certainly fits the description of Palpatine but as I discovered, nowhere is it mentioned that Espaa Valorum is the Emperor (most likely is, but still, not mentioned). So, Espaa Palpatine, what do you guys think? I think it's not the right name.
Another name that appears in an earlier drafts than the one above is Cos D.a.s.h.i.t. (punctuations due to sensitive filter), which the drafts states is the Emperor. So this means that the name could either be Cos Palpatine or D.a.s.h.i.t. Palpatine. Again, I think none of these work, for some reason
There's also the possibility that Palpatine only has a single name. Kind of like Yoda, Yaddle, Greedo and so on. Or like Steven Sansweets answer to the question; What is Palpatine's first name?
Answer: Palpatine's first name, if he even has one, has yet to be revealed. That's not so unusual even in our own galaxy. For example, in one of the world's most populous countries, Indonesia, many people go by one name. And even some last names are just that, not family names. In the Star Wars universe, we doubt that there are many in the know for whom just plain "Palpatine" isn't enough.
Fair enough. There is that possibility, but as Wookieepedia points out:
However, it is unlikely that among the Naboo of Theed and its surrounding environs, where individuals have been shown to use both a personal or first name and a family surname, there should be such a noteworthy exception. Padmé Naberrie, his peer, has been firmly established to have been born of parents named Naberrie, and that she had siblings who were also so named, with different first names. Furthermore, other Naboo citizens, such as Sio Bibble and other members of the government, had both first and last names. It is possible, but hardly likely, that Palpatine has only one name.
Again, true and I believe this more. It seems like it's a Naboo tradition to have a first and last name. It would seem unlikely that Palpatines family would deviate from this. Another Naboo tradition that is interesting is the fact that when the King or Queen is elected, they go by a single name. Just like Queen Amidala or Queen Jamilia. However, this only goes for royalty because when Amidala becomes a Senator, she's known as Senator Padmé Amidala, not Senator Amidala. I hardly believe that Palpatine ever was a Naboo royal and would keep his name in that fashion.
So where does that leave us? Well, right where we started, unfortunately. Not much has exactly been cleared up, but I've got my own theory that I'm going to propose to you. It goes like this:
Palpatine isn't Palpatines real name.
One more time, Palpatines real name isn't Palpatine.
Hard to follow? I thought it would be. I'll explain, it's quite simple really.
We can all agree on that Palpatine isn't the most common name in the galaxy. We've actually never met another character connected, loosely connected or not connected at all with the Emperor called Palpatine. Now, we must assume that Palpatine was born to a mother and had a family, of some sort on Naboo before he was whisked of by Darth Plagueis. Assuming that Palpatine is his surname (he's always adressed in that fashion) leads to the obvious conclusion that his family had the same name.
This works against Palpatines plan for galactic domination since he had to disappear with Darh Plagueis at some point and I'm sure his family would've noticed. It doesn't really help if it states in your record from Naboo that a Palpatine was abducted by a mysterious stranger for such and such many years ago. Had he been an Antilles, then it might've not been noticed, since the name is so common. But the name Palpatine is so uncommon that if a person who fits the age and description of one being whisked away by a dark clad stranger suddenly emerges with a lot of power, well, I'd imagine that the fact would set off alarm bells among the Jedi.
Another theory concerns the fact that the name of Palpatine hasn't really got any meaning to it. Sure, his Sith name Darth Sidious gives us a hint of his personality but his "real" name doesn't. It's speculated that the name comes from the word palatine, which means "relating to a palace". For some, that might fit Palpatine, but it doesn't give us an idea of who he is. Take for example the names of Skywalker (prophetic to say the least), Darth Vader, Solo, Organa (bit of a stretch but Organa = Organ, vital to the Rebellion) and so on. I know some would say that Obi-Wan Kenobi or Mace Windu don't give any hints about their personalities or roles in the Saga, but thing is that Palpatine already means something, but doesn't it doesn't really reflect his personality in the same way as the other names do.
However, these reason area tad, flimsy, if you can call it that. But I have another reason, much simpler one, why Palpatines last name and eventual first name isn't his real ones.
You see, almost everything Palpatine does or says during the Prequel is fake. Lamenting the fact that he has to take increased control of the Republic. Loving democracy. Being caught by Greivous and so on. Even his appearance is fake and his true form is revealed after his encounter with Mace Windu. So if his actions are fake, his words are fake, his appearance is fake, why not his "real" name to? Is the name Palpatine just a part of the act? Does he want to hide his real first and last name and therefore any clues to his history?
Granted, this is just speculation. Also, I've seemed to make things worse. Instead of answering the question of Palpatines first name, I've instead come up with a theory that gives us neither his real first name or his real last name. Oh dear, sorry about that.
However, I will send you guys off with a little something to think about. If you take the first name of Ian McDiarmid who portrays Palpatine and jumble it up a litte (anagram 101) you'll get Ani. Anakin Palpatine, anyone? How does that sound?
Food for thought, indeed...
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nob01 Oil Bath Bubbles
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date Posted: Sep 14, 2006 9:34 AM
Nope, it was Marion. That's why he had issues.
Very nice blog - well thought out and certainly enough food for thought for a hardy breakfast.
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FAN4YRS A Rebel's Ramblings
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date Posted: Sep 14, 2006 9:48 AM
I think not knowing Palpatine's first name is part of the mystery of who he is...did he originate on Naboo? Was there ever really a Pleaguis? I think the answer to both questions is "no"
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Kenobi-fan The Jundland Wastes Journal
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date Posted: Sep 14, 2006 10:18 AM
Anakin Palpatine, anyone? How does that sound?
I could almost by this except that GL created Star Wars, along with the name Anakin, before casting Ian in the movies, I believe. Having said that, the Force works in mysterious ways. I like the idea.
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King Bossk I like Star Wars
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date Posted: Sep 14, 2006 11:01 AM
I agree with you. I think Palpatine is just another one of his lies. It would make sense. And plus I thought that he wasn't really born on Naboo. I thought he was like really old and used the force to look younger. Maybe I was just dreaming. Good theory. Good blog. Good everything.
MTFBWY
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Captain Yossarian Captain Yossarian's Super Happy Fun Place
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date Posted: Sep 14, 2006 11:26 AM
To say that Palpatine isn't his real name based on what evidence there is from the films makes a lot of assumptions. The fact that there are many other characters from Naboo with two names doesn't prove much. Of all the Naboo with names most live in Theed or (like the Naberries) are members of the same family. Palpatine could come from a part of Naboo where the people only have one name. How many named Naboo are there in the films and EU? Less than one hundred? Where precisely on Naboo do they come from? That's not much to base assumptions about an entire culture on.
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Captain Yossarian Captain Yossarian's Super Happy Fun Place
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date Posted: Sep 14, 2006 11:27 AM
Also, the fact that there's never been any other characters with the name Palpatine is because the name had already been used for a major character. EU writers aren't exactly going to name a new character Palpatine since it would be irrelevant and possibly confusing. And that presupposes they would even be allowed to use the name. So I actually doubt it crossed anyone's mind to make a new character called Palpatine given that writers would be trying to be original and bring in their own ideas. Connected to this is the similar fact that although there are many many Star Wars characters there aren't actually thousands upon thousands of them.
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Captain Yossarian Captain Yossarian's Super Happy Fun Place
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date Posted: Sep 14, 2006 11:27 AM
So there could be many Palpatines in the galaxy but they just never show up in the films or EU. This is the same way that people assume Yoda's species is mysterious because nothing is known of it. They could be very common but the fact that they don't appear is because the window on the SW universe afforded by all the stories in various media is very limited. I also don't believe that much about Palpatine's early life has been written. So it is unknown whether Plagueis took him from his family or not. So it may or may not have been necessary for him to change his name depending on whether anyone was actually looking for him.
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Captain Yossarian Captain Yossarian's Super Happy Fun Place
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date Posted: Sep 14, 2006 11:28 AM
In my opinion, it's entirely possible that Palpatine is his real and only name. There could be a variety of cultures on Naboo and he happened to be born into one which uses single names. On the other hand it could be a professional name which he has adopted. Think of all the Brazilian footballers who go by only one name, presumably just because they think it sounds good. The characters in SW could know exactly what Palpatine's real name is, but it just never gets mentioned because he's known solely as Palpatine.
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Captain Yossarian Captain Yossarian's Super Happy Fun Place
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date Posted: Sep 14, 2006 11:28 AM
To my mind, Palpatine is just meant to be his surname which is why he was known as Emperor Palpatine. Because the name was enver used in the films he never got given a first name. He probably has got one and his family was the Palpatines from Naboo. The thing about his name is that it's a mystery but it's not supposed to be a mysterious mystery. That it's unknown is just a real life mystery rather than an in-universe one. The same as things like Yoda's species and homeworld. They are unknown to us because GL has never revealed them (and likely never will). To the characters they could be well known facts but they are never mentioned in the stories.
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yoda´s waiter Not if anything to say about it I have!
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date Posted: Sep 14, 2006 11:38 AM
I could almost by this except that GL created Star Wars, along with the name Anakin, before casting Ian in the movies, I believe. Having said that, the Force works in mysterious ways. I like the idea.
It was actually meant to be a tounge-in-cheek joke aimed at all the speculation. However, it could be possibly, just not in the way I presented it 
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yoda´s waiter Not if anything to say about it I have!
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date Posted: Sep 14, 2006 11:46 AM
That's not much to base assumptions about an entire culture on.
True, but the style of Star Wars is the generalise the cultures we meet. For example, the different planets are divided into climate zones, so that we recognise them easily. Others are presented in a way so that we can get a feel of their culture. The Naboo are presented as highly enlightened and lovers of art, the Kaminoans are presented as cold and efficient and so on.
Also, a majority of human characters in the Saga have a first name and a last name. I'm perfectly open minded to the possibility of Palpatine being Palpatines sole name, but I don't believe that to be the case.
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yoda´s waiter Not if anything to say about it I have!
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date Posted: Sep 14, 2006 11:49 AM
Also, the fact that there's never been any other characters with the name Palpatine is because the name had already been used for a major character. EU writers aren't exactly going to name a new character Palpatine since it would be irrelevant and possibly confusing.
True, I didn't not consider that. I was just trying to illustrate the fact how I think Palpatine isn't exactly the galaxies equivalent of Johnson
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yoda´s waiter Not if anything to say about it I have!
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date Posted: Sep 14, 2006 11:52 AM
On the other hand it could be a professional name which he has adopted.
That is what I believe. I think Palpatine adopted the name from some nobles on Naboo to protect his real name and his real history.
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YoshiYoda "No Slotting, No Disintegration, No Accidents." - "Not Even a Good Slap?"
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date Posted: Sep 14, 2006 12:33 PM
Excellent blog!  The way the Sith handle names is similar to the way people in ancient times did in that when a large event took place, they sometimes changed their names. Maybe since it is "A long time ago" they do the same in Star Wars.
Just a thought.
I think not knowing Palpatine's first name is part of the mystery of who he is...did he originate on Naboo? Was there ever really a Pleaguis? I think the answer to both questions is "no"
Of course there was a Plagueis. Why else would there be a book coming out about him? Which brings me to my next point. We may discover some Palps history in that book. 
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Jedi Arwen Skywalker
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date Posted: Sep 14, 2006 12:38 PM
What I really want to know is how he could become a respected/trusted senator of Naboo, after having been trained as a sith?? How do you pull that one off? Appear out of nowhere when you are say 50, and get elected? I mean, he's oldish looking in TPM, and has been a senator for a while,so what gives? I've wondered about his name, too. No answers tho.
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Kenobi-fan The Jundland Wastes Journal
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date Posted: Sep 14, 2006 1:35 PM
t was actually meant to be a tounge-in-cheek joke aimed at all the speculation. However, it could be possibly, just not in the way I presented it
I know but it fits so nicely with the likelihood that Anakin is some kind of 'son' to Palps' diabolical machinations. Again, it is interesting.
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kevy nova
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date Posted: Sep 14, 2006 6:55 PM
His first name is "Emperor." I've read it many times.
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ruddock93
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date Posted: Sep 14, 2006 8:05 PM
I don't remember where I read it, but his first name is Dantius. As far as the blogger who wrote that even his appearance was fake, as revealed by his battle with Mace Windu, his face was burned by the reflected Sith lightning. That is all pretty common knowledge.
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jesus05
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date Posted: Sep 14, 2006 8:08 PM
Emperor Palpatine's first and last name is Dantius Palpatine. Where to go look for it? Go to supershadow.com and click under Exclusive George Lucas Interviews and you will find his real identity. This name isn't coming from me, but from the creator himself, George Lucas.
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Qymaen-Grievous
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date Posted: Sep 14, 2006 8:24 PM
Dantius Palpatine
SS is a complete fake, in case you didn't know about it. Discussing him or his website is not allowed.
I think Palpatine was his professional name. His actual name is a complete mystery, and most likely, it will remain like that. Great blog, YW!
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kevy nova
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date Posted: Sep 14, 2006 8:56 PM
I didn't think there was anybody out there who still believed SS is legit!
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DevlenPiett Star Wars Historical Forum
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date Posted: Sep 14, 2006 9:01 PM
Ah Palpatine would a dark lord of the sith by any other name still rule as evilly.
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darkclone#1
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date Posted: Sep 14, 2006 10:03 PM
His Name was....... El Cesar!!!!!! Why? Because it can be!!!!!
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Darth_Muh
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date Posted: Sep 15, 2006 5:53 AM
I thought it was Beatrix Kiddo...
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seanscuirass
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date Posted: Sep 15, 2006 6:45 AM
I used to work for a guy named Phil, he was a real dick, lol, how about Phil Palpatine? The Evil furnace installer!
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StarDogHunter
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date Posted: Sep 15, 2006 7:37 AM
it was Dantius
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Jedi Lord Archangel
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date Posted: Sep 15, 2006 9:02 AM
How about this for a theory on Palpatine? He was not born on Naboo, but never resided on the planet while Plagueis was alive. Actually Palpatine left whatever planet he was on and journied to Naboo to start his plan because he knew that the people of Naboo could be influenced easily. And before anyone mentions that he can't be Senator if he's not from there, well the U.S. has Senators and elected officals that were not born in the U.S. so it is not that far out that Palpatine could be from another planet. So Palpatine could not have a first name at all, and only use the one name (plus he probably liked the sound of Emperor so much he didn't care if he had a first name or not). 
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Darius, Lord Of The Sith Thoughts From Darius
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date Posted: Sep 15, 2006 10:44 AM
Palpatine does not necessarily have to have been born on Naboo... the humans on Naboo did not originate from Naboo, they are not the indigenous species, the Gungans are. Humans can be found on many worlds, like Alderaan & Corellia, so it could have been very easy for him to have been raised and trained by a Sith Lord some place else and then relocated to Naboo in the hopes of gaining political power. Why Naboo? Because it has a class structure that is based on your job... there's a legislative class and by joining that class, he could gain political power. So, it is not necessarily so that somebody would have noticed he was "missing".
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strongminded strongminded
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date Posted: Sep 15, 2006 11:20 AM
Very interesting blog. Never thought about his first or even real name. But as I think about it it could well be that 'Palpatine' is just a fake name, we must not forget that he was evil, very evil indeed and everthing (well almost) was very well planned by Lord Sidious.
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TheGregiss
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date Posted: Sep 15, 2006 11:30 AM
Well, watching Episode I it's obvious his name is Frank.
Yep. Frank Palpitine.
"I must be Frank, your majesty."
Or something along that line anyway. Heh heh.
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Smeabacca
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date Posted: Sep 15, 2006 12:05 PM
Actually I heard his name was Maximus Palpatine. I forget where i heard it though....I think it was in a book.
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srodgers
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date Posted: Sep 15, 2006 12:42 PM
Padmé Amidala was never used. Two people used Padme, Anakin, Obi-wan. They never said Padmé Amidala. Bail Organa said Senator Amidala. I know if you look at the credits it may have said Senator Padmé Amidala. If it did, okay, if not then it's the same as Senator Palpatine. No other name.
For you EU's out there, think about this one, maybe after she became Amidala, Padme became an unofficial name. Just a link to her past, and means nothing except to friends, family. Maybe someone of Palpatine's past showed up, they'd say to him "Hey, Frank Tuttle, remember me?"(of course that would be the last think they say.)
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srodgers
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date Posted: Sep 15, 2006 12:46 PM
(of course that would be the last think they say.) I meant THING they say. sorry.
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cbern Omega Squad's 5th member
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date Posted: Sep 15, 2006 1:09 PM
neat blog!
i love reading fun theories, makes life interesting and mysterious....
thanks for writing!
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jediphoenix89
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date Posted: Sep 15, 2006 1:44 PM
definitely Lavernius. it fits so well! or James... Palpatine, James Palpatine.
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JediAnikin4191981
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date Posted: Sep 15, 2006 2:37 PM
good blog i never rly noticed that before.... 
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The_Tusken_Messiah
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date Posted: Sep 15, 2006 3:18 PM
Sorry to ruin the mystery, but his name is Dantiss Palpatine. I can't remember if it's spelled Dantiss or Dantice, but that's the name he was given in Cloak of Deception, the EU prequel to TPM. Since the novel didn't contradict anything in the films (unlike most EU that continues after ROTJ) I accepted the name as Star Wars truth. Like it or not, that's it.
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Lord Darkleaf Tales from the Spice Mines
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date Posted: Sep 15, 2006 3:37 PM
Mortimer, he looks like a Mortimer, or a Eugene perhaps!
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The_Tusken_Messiah
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date Posted: Sep 15, 2006 4:27 PM
DANTIUS PALPATINE I was a bit off on my first entry. I wanted to confirm spelling so I started skimming through Cloak of Deception and found it. It's mentioned all over the internet as well, if you do a search on the name.
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Arf Maul We'll Blow Your Planet Up!
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date Posted: Sep 15, 2006 6:11 PM
Gah, I can't believe people still think it's Dantius. Hasn't mommy ever told you not to trust supershadow?
I've heard that the authors of the Episode I Visual Dictionary attempted to name him Ethril, but Lucas did not allow it. Can anyone verify who said that?
My personal favourite though is Cos Palpatine.
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MLNEMFLCN
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date Posted: Sep 15, 2006 7:53 PM
Well you said that Obi-Wan Kenobi doesn't tell us a lot about his personality but it does, ou just have to know other languages. In Japanese obi is belt.. not remarkable I know, ut Kuro is black so in a stretch Kenobi could be Kuro Obi which would definately mean master as a black belt is givin only to masters in a martial art. And, ,-e know that Gorge Lcas was heavily influnced by Japanese director Akira Kurosawa and the idea of samurai armor is how Vaders look came together. Not to mention the relationship of eastern religions with the force. So it's entirely possible that he could have used Kuro Obi as a stretch to get Kenobi... sure why not?
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napalm229 Republic Enemy: thoughts on the CIS
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date Posted: Sep 15, 2006 8:07 PM
Now this is a great blog....
Well, I think that the whole idea of his name (Palpatine) being a ruse is a very valid one. I can't believe that I hadn't thought of that before. There is a book being done very soon about Darth Plagueis, maybe we will have the answers then. I like Natas Palpatine. Hey, it worked for Santa.
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90Jedimaster
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date Posted: Sep 15, 2006 8:45 PM
His name is Fidel, and his brother was Raul. Raul took over after Fidel Palpatine died.
MTFBWY
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The_Tusken_Messiah
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date Posted: Sep 15, 2006 10:12 PM
I don't know what supershadow is. I read that name in a Star Wars novel. Dantius Palpatine is in print.
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Darth Saotome
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date Posted: Sep 16, 2006 5:31 AM
Haven't read Cloak of Deception yet, but my understanding was that it was Augustus, which would make sense considering that the last track of The Phantom Menace soundtrack is entitled "Augie's Great Municipal Band", which plays the Emperor's theme with a sped up, happier tempo.
Plus, he looks like an Augustus.
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rebeltrooper94
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date Posted: Sep 16, 2006 7:04 AM
Augustus would make sense, since that was a title of Roman Emperors.
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